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Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for future Macs

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Re: Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for future Macs

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Post by skohan »

tdsamardzhiev wrote: post #885
vessenes wrote: post #305

Commenters here seem dubious. I’ll take the contra-position. This feels to me like it’s going to be great; a big win for consumers and developers. Current A12z chips are highly performant; Apple is roughly one chip cycle ahead on perfomance/watt from any other manufacturer. I presume their consumer hardware will launch with an A13Z, or maybe an A14 type chip. Apple has consistently shipped new chip designs on time; I…

Not a fan of Apple, but x86 is a mess and I'd love to see companies pushing for its replacement.

What's the issue with x86? Genuinely asking

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Post by geesejuggler »

vessenes wrote: post #305

Commenters here seem dubious. I’ll take the contra-position. This feels to me like it’s going to be great; a big win for consumers and developers. Current A12z chips are highly performant; Apple is roughly one chip cycle ahead on perfomance/watt from any other manufacturer. I presume their consumer hardware will launch with an A13Z, or maybe an A14 type chip. Apple has consistently shipped new chip designs on time; I…

> Languages like Go with supremely simple cross architecture support might get a boost here.

Go's crypto libraries are heavily optimized on x86, not so on arm (see Phoronix Graviton2 benches).

We will have to wait and see how much of Apple's halo effect will contribute positively to optimized arm code.

Re: Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for future Macs

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Post by skohan »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #699
rkagerer wrote: post #597

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it’s exciting to imagine what Apple’s fully vertically integrated company could do controlling hardware, OS and ML stack So true! But from a market dominance perspective, it's also a bit terrifying.

Replace Apple with Google or Microsoft and it would get shit on around here. Apple gets a pass

Apple's market share is still low enough for this to be a relative non-issue.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #651
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #493

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You're correct that AMD’s offerings are impressive, but that‘s vs an uncooled A12 chip. Add active cooling and a few more watts there's no reason why they couldn't blow the doors off.

> You're > AMD’s > that‘s What is your method of input where you use three different characters for apostrophes?

When someone asks what "attention to detail" is, I want to point them to this post...

Re: Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for future Macs

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Post by fiblye »

jl6 wrote: post #537
vessenes wrote: post #305

Commenters here seem dubious. I’ll take the contra-position. This feels to me like it’s going to be great; a big win for consumers and developers. Current A12z chips are highly performant; Apple is roughly one chip cycle ahead on perfomance/watt from any other manufacturer. I presume their consumer hardware will launch with an A13Z, or maybe an A14 type chip. Apple has consistently shipped new chip designs on time; I…

Here's an analogy to help explain the skepticism: ants have amazing efficiency - they can lift multiples of their own body weight. So why can't an ant lift my car? Well, because it's too small. So let's just take the same ant design and scale it up? Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. A creature capable of lifting my car wouldn't be much like an ant. There is no guarantee that a phone-scale CPU can just become…

Your wording makes it sound like ARM is still being used just for smaller devices and controllers with very well defined and limited uses. General purpose computing is already possible with iPads and iPhones. They're just artificially limited by the OS.

iDevices weren't really made with games in mind, but they can push out performance that beats handheld gaming devices. Artists (including myself) use iPads extensively and the response time with the Apple Pencil beats out just about anything else on the market. The only limiting factor is the tiny memory that limits the file size and layer limit on some programs. They're just fine for watching video, and even multitasking with a video playing while working on something else. This is on tiny device with no active cooling and long battery life, beating out most laptops in the same price range.

I don't believe there is any curated use case. They're already more than capable of being general purpose computers. I mean, Apple is already openly advertising that they're making iPad OS more desktop-like and operable with mice and keyboards. Literally the only things holding them back are the OS and Apple's refusal to put some decent memory inside.

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Post by ulfw »

arrty88 wrote: post #856
pram wrote: post #777

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It's literally in the presentation.

Sorry guy. I didn’t have time to watch during work and dont feeling like reading through a verge article

But you feel like posting. Cool.

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Post by ksec »

vessenes wrote: post #305

Commenters here seem dubious. I’ll take the contra-position. This feels to me like it’s going to be great; a big win for consumers and developers. Current A12z chips are highly performant; Apple is roughly one chip cycle ahead on perfomance/watt from any other manufacturer. I presume their consumer hardware will launch with an A13Z, or maybe an A14 type chip. Apple has consistently shipped new chip designs on time; I…

I am predicting the opposite. Apple isn't about the extend its Mac for Performance or Battery sake.

They are going about expanding its marketshare.

There are close to 1 Billion iPhone users, most of them have never used a Mac. We will need a 2nd Devices for some of those task. And that will either be a iPad or Mac. Out of the 1.5B total PC Market, Apple has 100M Mac users. I will say it is not too far fetched to say Apple wants to double the number of Mac users to 200M.

For every $100 dollar going to Intel, Apple could knock $200 off its Retail price while getting the same margin.

A $799 MacBook ( the same starting price of iPad Pro ) will be disruptive, the premium is now small enough over the ~$500 PC Notebook price.

In the longer term I think Apple is trying to reach 2 Billion Active Devices. And it certainly cant do this with iPhone alone. There are plenty of Market Space for the Mac to disrupt.

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