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What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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post #18

I have to be honest and go completely against the crowd here - but I think the UI updates are very good. They make the two OSes look cohesive but in a tasteful way. The extra padding in all of the UI is the only thing that I chafe at a little bit, it feels unnecessary. I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. So I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. I don't see any big functional chan…

Well that and the fact that tech website users basically complain about every UI change. Hacker News is full of people who think XFCE is the height of desktop experience. This is fundamentally different than apple’s core fan base who seem to like any change just for the sake of change.

"XFCE" is a funny way of spelling "i3wm."

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

#233
post #18

I have to be honest and go completely against the crowd here - but I think the UI updates are very good. They make the two OSes look cohesive but in a tasteful way. The extra padding in all of the UI is the only thing that I chafe at a little bit, it feels unnecessary. I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. So I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. I don't see any big functional chan…

I agree completely. The only real gripe I feel is that excessive padding. It is sort of like scrolling through Dribbble app mockups. The layouts look amazing as a mockup, but when you actually go to make or use the app it isn't as practical as you want. On a desktop, with a mouse, I have near-perfect precision. I don't need overly-padded icons and windows because I have the precision of a mouse. The extra padding jus…

This might be for apple to introduce touch screen on macs.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

#234
post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in the case of the proxy icon, the types of interactions you could perform with it were mostly undiscoverable and unknown to a lot of users. That's a good point I hadn't thought of -- I love the proxy icon. I'm glad it's still there, but this kind of feels like Apple is implicitly saying, "Look, for the ten of you who knew what this was, you still do it, but we're just hiding it from everyone else, sorry."

It’s easy to take every UI change as an affront, particularly when somebody changes something we liked. Just from what I’ve seen though, it appears the goal is a simply a more space efficient UI. It’s not a bad goal, even though I still want to beat them over the head with the Dock which functioned better under NeXTSTEP than it ever did under Mac OS X, and the stoplight isn’t doing anyone any favors over the Mac OS 9…

I don’t mind the stoplight. I do mind Apple repurposing the god damned zoom button for fullscreen, requiring I hold option every time or having to install third party tools for what should be at worst a freaking plist change.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

#237
post #19

The integration of tall title bars with toolbars is really reminding me of Gnome 3 here.

Yep, getting real gnome 3 vibes from it. Compare their mailing app image to geary[1]. Even though they're browner I kind of prefer gnome's toolbar because they're more obviously interactive. I guess it's not such a big problem is you use iOS maybe, but I don't. https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Geary

For all the flak that the GtkHeaderBar control got - at least a button looks like a button in the standard Adwaita theme.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree completely. The only real gripe I feel is that excessive padding. It is sort of like scrolling through Dribbble app mockups. The layouts look amazing as a mockup, but when you actually go to make or use the app it isn't as practical as you want. On a desktop, with a mouse, I have near-perfect precision. I don't need overly-padded icons and windows because I have the precision of a mouse. The extra padding jus…

This might be for apple to introduce touch screen on macs.

It's about time.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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post #66
post #18

I have to be honest and go completely against the crowd here - but I think the UI updates are very good. They make the two OSes look cohesive but in a tasteful way. The extra padding in all of the UI is the only thing that I chafe at a little bit, it feels unnecessary. I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. So I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. I don't see any big functional chan…

>I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. Why not? I think its a distinct possibility.

From the article: "Beginning in macOS 11, the track of a slider with tick marks aligns with the center of the thumb."
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