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Re: Most employees of NYT won’t be required back in physical offices until 2021

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Post by jeromegv »

larntz wrote: post #291
klenwell wrote: post #214

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This is the part that gets me, too. Here's a summary I put together of where the US stands on the latest "reopen" benchmarks: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQSSp19amBFU... It varies region to region. I'm in Orange County, CA. (You may remember us from such recent news events as...) This was Huntington Beach weekend before last (probably much the same this weekend, too): https://www.reddit.com/r/Coro…

I am in south-ish (north palm beach) Florida and went to the beach the past few weekends. Fortunately it was nowhere near has busy as that picture. We haven't had much issue finding a spot with enough space to feel socially distanced. We also went to Longhorn for dinner yesterday and they had everyone pretty spaced out (every other booth, no seating at center tables). All the restaurant employees were wearing masks.…

Regardless of your perception of safety, being indoor without a mask for a long period of time is probably the highest risk factor you got yourself into. By a big margin.

Re: Most employees of NYT won’t be required back in physical offices until 2021

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Post by jeromegv »

trustfundbaby wrote: post #279
chrisco255 wrote: post #213

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Yes, but if you actually look at the death count, it has dropped in the past month and a half, despite re-openings: https://ga-covid19.ondemand.sas.com/ Georgia being one of the earliest states to re-open, continue to see their deaths plummet even as their case count increases. What's the reason for this? I don't know. Better testing, maybe. Maybe a less deadly version of the virus is propagating now. Not sure.

Been saying this for a while now ... since the Georgia Reopening, I've been monitoring a lot of state data daily, lots of places that started seeing spikes 3-4 weeks ago haven't even had as much as a slight trend upwards in deaths (Here's South Carolina for example https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/south-carolina-c... ) Wisconsin has seen a spike come and go and death rates have remained about the same http…

Death rate is down because the average age of people getting COVID is younger, it’s already been documented and talked about quite a bit. Doesn’t mean they won’t get lifetime lung damage and that they won’t eventually re-infect the older folks at risk.

Re: Most employees of NYT won’t be required back in physical offices until 2021

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Post by findyoucef »

geomark wrote: post #339
nautilus12 wrote: post #282

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Maybe more of a statement about the necessity of middle management..

Yeah. Eliminate middle management and just have the C-levels do all the hiring, work assignments, perfomance reviews, pay raises... you know, all that worthless stuff that middle managers do.

Guess we found a middle manager.

Re: Most employees of NYT won’t be required back in physical offices until 2021

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Post by tinmandespot »

chrisco255 wrote: post #213
UncleOxidant wrote: post #198

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It's amazing how so many people/entities want to pretend that somehow the pandemic is less dangerous now than it was in March when we started all of the isolating/WFH. When in fact we have a lot more cases now, high levels of new cases and more than half the states have R0 > 1.0. https://rt.live/

Yes, but if you actually look at the death count, it has dropped in the past month and a half, despite re-openings: https://ga-covid19.ondemand.sas.com/ Georgia being one of the earliest states to re-open, continue to see their deaths plummet even as their case count increases. What's the reason for this? I don't know. Better testing, maybe. Maybe a less deadly version of the virus is propagating now. Not sure.

If we proceed on the assumption that exposure to higher viral load correlates to more severe symptoms and fatality, I think the trend can be attributed to the drop in viral load averaged over those being infected.

1. At the start of the pandemic, the older and more vulnerable were affected disproportionately. These patients had a high viral load.

2. Patients with more severe symptoms are now isolating at home or at hospitals. Previously they may have been contributing to serious super-spreader like situations.

3. PPE/Mask usage is more common now and these are possibly protecting most people against high exposure

4. Antivirals could be reducing the length of stay at hospitals and protecting workers from higher exposure

In other words, the virus is spreading but in a less severe form. However, I don't think fundamentally different (less virulent) mutations are the contributing to the lower death rate.

Re: Most employees of NYT won’t be required back in physical offices until 2021

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Post by t-writescode »

jedberg wrote: post #144
momokoko wrote: post #109

Get ready for a wave of outsourcing of everything from tech to bpo like the US labor market has never seen in the coming 6 months. Once employers go through the initial pain of setting up remote work, the more than 50%(and sometimes as much as 80%) cost savings will be irresistible. If you are not in government, healthcare, or other industry that does not have legal requirements to maintain a US presence and you work…

Time zones are still a thing. No matter how remote someone is, if they're more than a few times zones away it becomes problematic. More than nine timezones across the company is nearly impossible to do well. So if we're talking about a US company, if you want anyone on the west coast, hiring continental Europeans will be tough, unless one of those groups is willing to work outside normal hours. Also, taxes can be har…

Honestly, even 3 time zones is a pain.

* You get in at 9, the other team is at lunch (12)

* They're ready to talk to you after their lunch and a bit, and it's your lunch.

* You get back from lunch and it's almost time for them to leave.

citation: used to have a job where the parent company was on the East Coast while working on the West Coast.

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Post by geomark »

raz32dust wrote: post #271
aphextron wrote: post #266

I've been trying recently to wrap my head around what life is going to be like from here on out. Where do we go? Things will never be the same again. Remote work will now be completely normal, that's for sure. But how do we get back to living our lives? Fundamental assumptions I've had about the things I've wanted to do in life are now basically no longer an option. Will Silicon Valley no longer really be a "thing" a…

This is not forever. We will likely have a vaccine at some point, may be within a year or two. We will also keep getting better at treating it over time - in identifying susceptible populations, developing cures, and hospitals being better equipped.

Near term availability of a vaccine seems like wishful thinking. The data is noisy, but some of it indicates antibodies to the virus are short lived. That would implicate the usefulness of a vaccine. And that's if one can be developed, a serious question given the lack of success in developing vaccines for other human coronaviruses.

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Post by geomark »

findyoucef wrote: post #343
geomark wrote: post #339

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Yeah. Eliminate middle management and just have the C-levels do all the hiring, work assignments, perfomance reviews, pay raises... you know, all that worthless stuff that middle managers do.

Guess we found a middle manager.

You guessed wrong. I was the owner of my business, and I'm glad I did not have 80 direct reports.

Re: Most employees of NYT won’t be required back in physical offices until 2021

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Post by icebraining »

TuringNYC wrote: post #118
mattwad wrote: post #112

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The thing is, having worked remotely for a year... the people working remote are the ones that become at a disadvantage. Because people in office may forget to include them in calls or conversations.

or...they may "forget" to include them in calls or conversations As much as I think WFH will be a huge win for workers, and the whole country (to some extent, ex SF/SV), I am skeptical it would work unless orgs are completely remote. In hybrid setups, I could see WFH workers end up getting edged out -- it has never worked any other way from what i've seen in the past.

Yeah, I already WFH in a team where half were in-office, and despite having great rapport and them clearly trying to include us fully, I still felt a clear improvement when everyone went WFH.

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Post by macintux »

pkaye wrote: post #293
rebuilder wrote: post #207

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Or, that management thinks the work they're having employees do sucks, and their employees are going to slack off as much as they can if left unsupervised. Also, that management doesn't have much in the way of supervisory powers apart from tracking hours at the office.

Maybe look at work output instead of hours.

Measuring work output for most white collar workers has been problematic since forever.

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Post by CydeWeys »

jeromegv wrote: post #341
larntz wrote: post #291

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I am in south-ish (north palm beach) Florida and went to the beach the past few weekends. Fortunately it was nowhere near has busy as that picture. We haven't had much issue finding a spot with enough space to feel socially distanced. We also went to Longhorn for dinner yesterday and they had everyone pretty spaced out (every other booth, no seating at center tables). All the restaurant employees were wearing masks.…

Regardless of your perception of safety, being indoor without a mask for a long period of time is probably the highest risk factor you got yourself into. By a big margin.

Yup. Really hard to justify this risk in Florida right now just for a restaurant meal. I wouldn't do it.
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