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What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by sudosysgen »

breakfastduck wrote: post #31
dijit wrote: post #23

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I like borders on my buttons to know what is a button and what isn't, this feels.. backwards... So much has to be inferred from the way things used to be, makes it harder to argue that it's the "simpler" operating system designed for Humans with a keen eye on UX design.. FWIW I also think the flat UI on iPhone (which has been prevelant for >6y now) is a horror show. Steve Jobs famously once said (while working at NeX…

How on earth is moving to a the ARM architecture not pushing computing forward? macOS moving to ARM is the biggest leap for developers in recent years - Amazon are also developing their own ARM chips and cloud services running linux ARM is the future. Having a mac with a unix-like terminal environment & support to run linux arm natively when devloping for those services is a huge deal.

First of all, this off topic. Next, it's simply wrong, there is no ARM processor better than the best x86 processor in any category except insanely low power. All comparisons I've seen so far compare tiny mobile processors with huge server processes with orders of magnitude more I/O per watt. When you compare phone chips with Zen 2 low-power laptop chips and take into account the massive I/O disparity it's much less favourable.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by Andrex »

1_player wrote: post #62
Macha wrote: post #19

The integration of tall title bars with toolbars is really reminding me of Gnome 3 here.

I'd pay for a well engineered macOS 11 theme for GNOME. Perhaps when GTK4 is out end of this year with support for blurred transparency shaders. Though I got to say Adwaita improved a lot recently.

> I'd pay for a well engineered macOS 11 theme for GNOME.

elementaryOS is probably pretty close already...

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

madhadron wrote: post #162
spideymans wrote: post #87

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At the last WWDC, Apple mentioned that of all of the so called "creative professionals" on the Mac, software developers were the largest group. I don't know how large the percentage is exactly, but its clearly significant.

Considering they intentionally got rid of, say, video editors as a professional group that used Macs, it may be more of a case of "who is left." One of these days I'll write a todo list manager to replace OmniFocus and then be able to switch platforms.

I'm sure the only reason we buy Macs is so that we can still target iOS.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by _fzslm »

AlexandrB wrote: post #150
dividedbyzero wrote: post #135

For the last few versions of iOS, MacOS has felt somewhat old-fashioned, lacking things I've grown to really appreciate on my phone and iPad like the Control Center. I'm glad that is now coming to MacOS. This feels like a much-needed facelift. I'm glad is isn't a polished XFCE, there are a lot of options for people who like this sort of thing already, just run Linux. In its current state, Linux on the desktop is defi…

I expect that MacOS 11.2 will be iPadOS.

strong disagree. MacOS and iPadOS will take cues from each other, but they will remain fundamentally different. MacOS for the old-timey folks who want root access and to be able to browse the file system, iPadOS for people who like having all for that abstracted away from them a-la iOS. neither is right or wrong, just caters to different kinds of people who prefer different ways of working.

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Post by michaelmrose »

dimmke wrote: post #65
mxcrossb wrote: post #46

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Well that and the fact that tech website users basically complain about every UI change. Hacker News is full of people who think XFCE is the height of desktop experience. This is fundamentally different than apple’s core fan base who seem to like any change just for the sake of change.

I agree, any change will be frowned upon. It just annoys me that I feel like they're drawing the completely wrong conclusions. Apple was the company that dropped the headphone jack from their phone, shipped a laptop with only USB-C ports etc... they don't shy away from making big controversial decisions if they feel like it's good for them. If Apple was going to do this to MacOS, they'd have already done it. They wou…

I still don't understand how anyone with hundreds of billions of dollars ships really crappy anything. Like do hundreds of people just pretend that a crappy keyboard isn't garbage or is it so siloed that most people never get an opportunity to register an opinion?

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by m463 »

gowld wrote: post #147
config_yml wrote: post #28

Loss of affordance, density and contrast. Why do designers hate these 3 things? It's pretty, yes.

Apple's original human interface designer says that Apple has "razor-sharp focus on a user many of us often fail to even consider: The potential user, the buyer", ignoring the needs of people who already paid their money. https://asktog.com/atc/the-third-user/

Sometimes you date an attractive person and you are spellbound. It's only later that you realize.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by michaelmrose »

SllX wrote: post #106
ceocoder wrote: post #68

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> Hacker News is full of people who think XFCE is the height of desktop experience. This is fundamentally different than apple’s core fan base who seem to like any change just for the sake of change. that statement seems perhaps too harsh to both HN crowd and Apple's core fan base, I spend more time on HN than I care to admit and I can assure you that I do not like XFCE desktop experience at all , my desktop is runni…

Nah, I watch most of the WM-related threads because it's more interesting to me than I am willing to admit in public life. XFCE gets trotted out generally any time GNOME, KDE, MATE or Cinnamon does, but especially in the case of the former two. There's usually a cadre of MATE and Cinnamon reps as well, of which you might as well consider yourself at least an honorary member at this point. StumpWM, i3 and dwm are also…

Maybe i3 wouldn't be peak desktop Linux if other environments realized that virtual desktops extending across all monitors is bad design.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by wayneftw »

SllX wrote: post #106
ceocoder wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hacker News is full of people who think XFCE is the height of desktop experience. This is fundamentally different than apple’s core fan base who seem to like any change just for the sake of change. that statement seems perhaps too harsh to both HN crowd and Apple's core fan base, I spend more time on HN than I care to admit and I can assure you that I do not like XFCE desktop experience at all , my desktop is runni…

Nah, I watch most of the WM-related threads because it's more interesting to me than I am willing to admit in public life. XFCE gets trotted out generally any time GNOME, KDE, MATE or Cinnamon does, but especially in the case of the former two. There's usually a cadre of MATE and Cinnamon reps as well, of which you might as well consider yourself at least an honorary member at this point. StumpWM, i3 and dwm are also…

I haven’t seen an actual complaint about what’s wrong with XFCE.

Simple minimalism is certainly preferable to whatever macOS can be described as by many, sure. I don’t see a problem with that.

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