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What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by hyperpape »

loughnane wrote: post #24
dimmke wrote: post #18

I have to be honest and go completely against the crowd here - but I think the UI updates are very good. They make the two OSes look cohesive but in a tasteful way. The extra padding in all of the UI is the only thing that I chafe at a little bit, it feels unnecessary. I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. So I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. I don't see any big functional chan…

>Apple knows that a large percentage of the people who buy its computers are software engineers I suspect a large percentage of software engineers buy their computers, but I'm skeptical at the assertion that a large percentage of people who buy their computers are software engineers.

Looks like they've been selling around 18 million macs a year (https://www.statista.com/statistics/263444/sales-of-apple-ma...). If you ignore individuals having multiple computers, and assume the average lifetime of a machine is 5 years, you get 90 million people with a Mac. I don't know how many developers there are, but saw 20-25 million in some estimates.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by lwhi »

breakfastduck wrote: post #40
henriquez wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple locks down MacOS more and more with each major release. Some of it seems well justified but the totality of it is concerning to me. Being able to defeat some of it in the console doesn’t change what is an increasingly abusive relationship. I feel like we’re rapidly approaching a point where Apple enforces the same strict control over MacOS that they do over the iOS App Store and they’re softening people up towa…

I disagree, I don't think they're anywhere near locking down to the iOS level. Could you explain some of these incremental lock downs? I honestly can't think of any that are genuine restrictions, but that might just be because I don't encounter them with what I do.

Every new release of OS X has been an increasing disappointment for years now. Security issues, bugs, incompatibilities.

It's almost as if they've been actively devesting in OS X.

At least we now understand why.

Mac's are no longer machines fit for professional development. It's a damn shame, but it's true in my mind.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by lbotos »

breakfastduck wrote: post #31
dijit wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like borders on my buttons to know what is a button and what isn't, this feels.. backwards... So much has to be inferred from the way things used to be, makes it harder to argue that it's the "simpler" operating system designed for Humans with a keen eye on UX design.. FWIW I also think the flat UI on iPhone (which has been prevelant for >6y now) is a horror show. Steve Jobs famously once said (while working at NeX…

How on earth is moving to a the ARM architecture not pushing computing forward? macOS moving to ARM is the biggest leap for developers in recent years - Amazon are also developing their own ARM chips and cloud services running linux ARM is the future. Having a mac with a unix-like terminal environment & support to run linux arm natively when devloping for those services is a huge deal.

This is not the ARM thread, This is the UI thread. Nothing about the UI is predicated on ARM.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by justwalt »

avree wrote: post #34
jtbayly wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but color is such a helpful distinguishing feature that contrast can never make up for it disappearing. I can squint until I can’t distinguish any of the symbols and still tell which is which when they are colored.

Which menus generally have color as an element in Mac OS today that don't in the new Mac OS? Serious question—I can't find one.

Looks like the mail preferences window is one such example, as seen in the before/after in the middle of the page.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by lwhi »

loughnane wrote: post #24
dimmke wrote: post #18

I have to be honest and go completely against the crowd here - but I think the UI updates are very good. They make the two OSes look cohesive but in a tasteful way. The extra padding in all of the UI is the only thing that I chafe at a little bit, it feels unnecessary. I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. So I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. I don't see any big functional chan…

>Apple knows that a large percentage of the people who buy its computers are software engineers I suspect a large percentage of software engineers buy their computers, but I'm skeptical at the assertion that a large percentage of people who buy their computers are software engineers.

There are more 'normies' than engineers out there.

They need to continue sell more to keep share holders happy.

It's a calculated shift.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by mxcrossb »

dimmke wrote: post #18

I have to be honest and go completely against the crowd here - but I think the UI updates are very good. They make the two OSes look cohesive but in a tasteful way. The extra padding in all of the UI is the only thing that I chafe at a little bit, it feels unnecessary. I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. So I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. I don't see any big functional chan…

Well that and the fact that tech website users basically complain about every UI change. Hacker News is full of people who think XFCE is the height of desktop experience. This is fundamentally different than apple’s core fan base who seem to like any change just for the sake of change.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by IMTDb »

> But what should we call it ? Well, if you're a student of MacOS, you know this question can only be answered by Apple crack marketing team. Their drug fueled minibus driven quests have yielded some great names. [...] We can’t responsibly continue to inadvertently lead our competition to copy these methods when they clearly can’t handle the trip

Was that guy actually on acid when he introduced the name ? This was so out of place compared to the usual Apple tone. At least I had a good laugh

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by oblio »

hyperpape wrote: post #41
loughnane wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Apple knows that a large percentage of the people who buy its computers are software engineers I suspect a large percentage of software engineers buy their computers, but I'm skeptical at the assertion that a large percentage of people who buy their computers are software engineers.

Looks like they've been selling around 18 million macs a year ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/263444/sales-of-apple-ma... ). If you ignore individuals having multiple computers, and assume the average lifetime of a machine is 5 years, you get 90 million people with a Mac. I don't know how many developers there are, but saw 20-25 million in some estimates.

The vast majority of developed worldwide are using crummy Windows laptops and developing internal enterprise software :-) At best Macs probably have a marketshare of 30% among developers.

The US and big tech companies are outliers regarding Mac usage.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by qu1mby »

0xDEEPFAC wrote: post #12

It seems like these new Macs might as well be phone with a keyboard in the way they treat their software and "pro" consumers taking away options when screen real-estate exists to empower the mouse user. Wake me up when they use less glue to hold their computers together : (

I think you’re right - by leveraging everyone who has now learned to create apps for iPhone and suddenly empowering them to create for Mac, too, we’re going to see a flood of underwhelming iPhone apps on desktop.

But that’s exactly the catalyst you need to motivate the more capable of that bunch to cut through the noise with powerful applications specifically tailored to desktop — and a very healthy App Store for desktop begins to emerge (just like the one we have for iPhone now). But faster, because now there are so many people who suddenly know how to create for Mac.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by Frajedo »

IMTDb wrote: post #47

> But what should we call it ? Well, if you're a student of MacOS, you know this question can only be answered by Apple crack marketing team. Their drug fueled minibus driven quests have yielded some great names. [...] We can’t responsibly continue to inadvertently lead our competition to copy these methods when they clearly can’t handle the trip Was that guy actually on acid when he introduced the name ? This was so…

He's been doing similar jokes about MacOS names since a couple of years :)
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