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Re: The Importance of India

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Post by SJetKaran »

polotics wrote: post #150
SJetKaran wrote: post #142

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Any comparison of India with China generally leads to this sort of conclusions. If India and China were students in a class, China would be the topper of the class. India is a good student, just not a topper. India has been making great progress on most fronts, just not as big leaps as China did.

Well yeah sure, except China is the student that's cheating by faking their grade results. But seriously, how can you call a country's rulers that were so stupid as to implement the one child policy, inclusive of forced abortions, ""winning"" ???

I was actually arguing for India by the point I made - as in, India when compared to China comes out to be a super under-developed country that people consider India to be a basket case; which it is not.

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Post by throwaway384629 »

ramshanker wrote: post #48
wtmt wrote: post #11

> If China rises to heights of power that eclipse the US completely, only India may be strong enough to speak for liberal democracy. With recent history in mind, I doubt the emphasized part. India is not actually a beacon of a liberal or a constitutional democracy, as has been shown in the last six years by the party in power in the central government. If anything, India is regressing and ignoring constitutional prot…

Your doubt is typical Indian opposition viewpoint right now. They are so just for the sake of opposition.

And your doubt is typical Indian government viewpoint right now.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by dqpb »

phillipcarter wrote: post #143
dqpb wrote: post #99

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I think it depends on what annoys you. I find myself annoyed by any kind of cultural tick. Phrases, mannerisms, cliches, tropes, all bother me to the extent that they are common and pervasive (in any culture). But by far I see this the worste in youths. Highschoolers and undergrads are so painfully unoriginal. But, that's life. Better to focus your attention on people who you find unique and impressive than to worry…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYAuR5bkIlQ

All I'm saying is this - I've worked with people across many ethnic/cultural groups. If I can draw any stereotype, it's that the most unique, intelligent, and competent people are those in their 40s.

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Post by vijaybritto »

TriNetra wrote: post #145
vijaybritto wrote: post #136

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Sorry I have just experienced/read too much in real life experiences to not believe in casteism. On the small note: of course the police maintain that it was not true

I'm not saying there's no castism - there's always some sort of discrimination in every society as human beings mostly behave as selfish and unkind due to their insecurities and prejudice. But voices against are also far easier to express and be heard these days. However, if you fuel anger and hatred in you, you're only going to get bitter and restless. which will waste your energies which you could otherwise spend i…

>many Brahmans are also in very bad condition in India

That's not because of the caste system. Please read about social capital.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by pranav_pratap »

throwaway384629 wrote: post #116
ra7 wrote: post #89

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Throwing in a bunch of complaints (sometimes valid) doesn't mean India is not a democracy. Do the people still choose the government via elections or not? If you don't like policies of the current government, organize the opposition and vote them out. That's not being curtailed by anyone.

How will I organize if government will slap a case against me and will put me in jail? In my previous comment I have shared examples of this happening to people who raised a voice or tried to protest. Rest aside forming an opposition, I dont even feel safe to comment against government by using my real handle. This article summarizes state of tv news media in India: http://www.nationalheraldindia.com/amp/story/india%…

You cite National Herald. You know that the opposition party in India owns this. In fact, they took over vast reals estate property using their influence over this paper. The case in in the court and the top leaders are out on bail.

News media is a business and unfortunately favors the party with more money. There are news media that favor the communists and the main opposition party too. At any rate, please dont cite national herald. Democracy means people’s will, which may not be our personal will. People elected this government twice consecutively. They feel hopeful that there would be positive changes in the country.

Lastly, let’s try to overcome our pain body. We will have to do it some time for our own happiness.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by pranav_pratap »

throwaway384629 wrote: post #147
sbmthakur wrote: post #73

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> You don't have a democracy when the state controls all the TV media. Please share some data points when you make such tall claims. India sure does has Fox and Breitbart equivalent of its own. But that doesn't imply that the state controls 'all the media'.

This article shows a nice summary of topics of news on major tv channels in India Literally 0 discussion on anything that puts government in bad light. 0 discussion on issues like health, education, unemployment etc. Most of the discussion are on breaking communal harmony (which is in interest of ruling party) and bashing opposition parties. https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/india/14-debates-on-ram-...

Please don’t cite national herald. This is an enterprise that is owned by the opposition political party and used to grab prime real estate. You will get the same content in some other newspaper sympathetic to the opposition parties. Please cite that.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by sbmthakur »

vijaybritto wrote: post #132
tsimionescu wrote: post #117

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I think they meant that having a Dalit man be presidett is proof that there has been some progress, same as Obama's presidency in the US. That showed that progress has been made in the battle against racism, even if it certainly doesn't mean that racism is over.

The president is not an elected post but a selected post. They selected a dalit exactly for this reason the person above states. For tokenism. The current govt is a Hindutva ideology based govt meaning they literally believe Dalits are just lower humans. The president from a dalit community was just tokenism.

I anticipated such a reply. Obviously you don't know anything about his law career and work towards the poor sections of the society[1].

As far as the tokenism goes, keep in mind that the current PM is from an OBC. So much for the 'lower human' theory.

1. https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/ram-nat...

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Post by sbmthakur »

tsimionescu wrote: post #149
vijaybritto wrote: post #132

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The president is not an elected post but a selected post. They selected a dalit exactly for this reason the person above states. For tokenism. The current govt is a Hindutva ideology based govt meaning they literally believe Dalits are just lower humans. The president from a dalit community was just tokenism.

Oh, OK, I wasn't aware, sorry. Thanks for the explanation!

Please ignore their reply. Our Prime minister, which is the most powerful position in the country, is also from a 'lower class'. They're deliberately giving it a negative spin as it suits their policial viewpoint.

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Post by sbmthakur »

tsimionescu wrote: post #117
vijaybritto wrote: post #113

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>The PRESIDENT is a dalit man. Oh you mean that he's there 'despite' being a dalit? Thank you for making this short

I think they meant that having a Dalit man be presidett is proof that there has been some progress, same as Obama's presidency in the US. That showed that progress has been made in the battle against racism, even if it certainly doesn't mean that racism is over.

That's what I meant. Thank you.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by centrist »

centrist wrote: post #108

I am taking a note of how some privileged individuals possibly from rich western countries or elite Indians conforming to a political ideology here are mocking and judging a country which has been looted, enslaved and intentionally left illiterate for centuries. India is not perfect. But just to bring things into perspective, the cited "beacon" of liberal democracy, USA, didn't allow women to vote until as recent as…

It's almost funny how an apparent Chinese (sympathizer?) (check the activity) user below calls India a "semi Slavery society" with zero context about the country and even tries to hijack the present BLM in almost propaganda like move.

Now, facts. Upon independence, India's constitution was written by the constituent assembly presided over by an "untouchable". This constitution abolished discrimination on basis of caste, and as an affirmative action reserved seats in educational institutions and jobs in all state sponsored educational and public institutions.

This reservation system has rapidly been increasing over the years and now a staggering 60 - 70% of all positions are reserved today. What's more, the current Prime Minister of India and the President of India are from backward castes and scheduled caste respectively, and a majority of political parties and multiple Chief Ministers presently belong to traditionally backward castes. Even election constituencies are reserved, so that there is fixed amount of representation in the Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha (lower and upper houses) no matter which government is in power.

The best any authoritarian regime can do right now is portray as propaganda that India is a "semi slavery society" which has no "liberal" shared values with the democracies in the West so everyone should shun it.

It's a standard divide and rule strategy.

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