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Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by psychometry »

cytzol wrote: post #52

I was really hoping they'd take some time to address Catalina's glaring issues — its slowness, bugginess, just general sloppiness — and instead they did the opposite. Honestly, every time Apple has done anything with the Mac the past couple of years, they've screwed it up. The infamous keyboards that they doubled-down and then tripled-down upon (I have personally had five keyboard replacements). The way Catalina send…

That's what point releases are for. If they're going to fix the things you're talking about, it'll be done as a point release to 10.15.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by rado »

jbverschoor wrote: post #101
AnonC wrote: post #34

The UI and UX seem to be getting worse on macOS with the “iOSification” of the OS. I thought Jony Ive’s exit would stop that trend. It’ll be interesting to read perspectives from John Gruber, M J Tsai, Marco Arment, etc. I still haven’t upgraded from Mojave to Catalina because of serious bugs reported by other people (including data loss issues in Mail). I’ll see if Big Sur shows improvements (reported by others) and…

Yeah. Lack of keyboard support in some apps. Not being able to drag/drop certain icons. I’d have to see the interface to see if it’s good for fast discoverability of features, but I doubt it. It’s starting to look more like windows, but in a bad way.

The new Catalyst slide said “full keyboard support”. They’d be crazy not to add it.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by minikites »

gkoberger wrote: post #63
cytzol wrote: post #52

I was really hoping they'd take some time to address Catalina's glaring issues — its slowness, bugginess, just general sloppiness — and instead they did the opposite. Honestly, every time Apple has done anything with the Mac the past couple of years, they've screwed it up. The infamous keyboards that they doubled-down and then tripled-down upon (I have personally had five keyboard replacements). The way Catalina send…

It’s possible they will do both. Fixing bugs isn’t really keynote worthy, so hopefully there’s a ton of stability fixes behind the scenes.

>It’s possible they will do both.

Unlikely, given their recent track record. They'll just ignore the bugs in this release until the next big release like they've been doing for the past few versions.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by psychometry »

achairapart wrote: post #149

Requirements: Mac Mini 2014 and later. So, no upgrade for my Mac Mini late 2012. F*ck you, Apple. Why on earth I need a less powerful machine to run your latest OS?

Um, your computer was designed EIGHT years ago. Upgrade if you care about getting all of the new toys.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by zimpenfish »

dcchambers wrote: post #77

I'm not sure why I continue to look forward to new Mac OS announcements every year when Apple continues to focus on consumer apps/features and not pro/developer features. Literally nothing in that preview page excites me as someone that uses Mac OS mainly for developing software. I wish they would use WWDC to announce developer and pro features and not consumer OS features. I don't really care for the UI changes, but…

> Most interesting: This appears to be the end of "OS X" as version was listed as "11.0" in the keynote.

"Mac OS X" was dropped for macOS in 2016.

https://fortune.com/2016/06/13/apple-mac-os-sierra/

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by thrusong »

jbverschoor wrote: post #101
AnonC wrote: post #34

The UI and UX seem to be getting worse on macOS with the “iOSification” of the OS. I thought Jony Ive’s exit would stop that trend. It’ll be interesting to read perspectives from John Gruber, M J Tsai, Marco Arment, etc. I still haven’t upgraded from Mojave to Catalina because of serious bugs reported by other people (including data loss issues in Mail). I’ll see if Big Sur shows improvements (reported by others) and…

Yeah. Lack of keyboard support in some apps. Not being able to drag/drop certain icons. I’d have to see the interface to see if it’s good for fast discoverability of features, but I doubt it. It’s starting to look more like windows, but in a bad way.

I got Windows Vista vibes from Big Sur's UI as I was scrolling through this terrible website.

Performance was horrible in Firefox on a MacBook Air (mid-2012), which has been dropped from support for this latest macOS.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by Raymonf »

SenHeng wrote: post #84

I’m surprised at all the negative takes. I thought it was refreshing, they’re reintroducing colours and icons, cleaning up and using a consistent design language across platforms, and introducing new, well tested convenience features.

I completely agree. Previous versions had newer Apple UI design elements (e.g. the App Store) and also the elements of older macOS versions (e.g. the Dock, comparing it to the one on the iPad). It was just a big jumble, and they're finally unifying it.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by goalieca »

csomar wrote: post #141

I made the switch to Linux as my main OS for software development in the last month (archlinux with AMD Ryzen on a custom built box) and I'm not regretting it. For a comparison, here is the Press Release for Snow Leopard ( https://www.apple.com/ca/newsroom/2009/06/08Apple-Unveils-Ma... here is an excerpt from the text > For the first time, system applications including Finder, Mail, iCal®, iChat® and Safari are 64-bi…

Apple has introduced all of these APIs and SDKs in previous OS releases. Now their software is starting to take advantage of them all with user features. This includes their machine learning kit, metal, ..

The Xcode release is actually pretty big deal for developers. The tooling is updated for this brave new world of ARM cores.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by r00fus »

wycy wrote: post #125
AnonC wrote: post #34

The UI and UX seem to be getting worse on macOS with the “iOSification” of the OS. I thought Jony Ive’s exit would stop that trend. It’ll be interesting to read perspectives from John Gruber, M J Tsai, Marco Arment, etc. I still haven’t upgraded from Mojave to Catalina because of serious bugs reported by other people (including data loss issues in Mail). I’ll see if Big Sur shows improvements (reported by others) and…

Catalina is the one and only macOS upgrade I regret doing. It has mostly been bug-free, but I was surprised how much software no longer works due to the 64-bit change.

What is not working for you? I did the analysis a while back and (I stopped doing kexts back when SIP hit) - I have like no 32bit apps worth keeping (I don't have to use legacy Photoshop).

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by zimpenfish »

csomar wrote: post #141

I made the switch to Linux as my main OS for software development in the last month (archlinux with AMD Ryzen on a custom built box) and I'm not regretting it. For a comparison, here is the Press Release for Snow Leopard ( https://www.apple.com/ca/newsroom/2009/06/08Apple-Unveils-Ma... here is an excerpt from the text > For the first time, system applications including Finder, Mail, iCal®, iChat® and Safari are 64-bi…

> Apps that are not that much relevant (since people are too hooked in Firefox/Chrome, Fb/Ig, and Google Maps).

Anecdata: My family uses Safari, Messages, and Maps extensively (and Fb/Ig don't replace Messages, they're something else that gets used.) Don't confuse "tech people" with "real people", there's a world of difference.

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