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Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by nicoburns »

ljm wrote: post #60
lisper wrote: post #15

IMHO Apple's design jumped the shark a long time ago. Even apart from the aesthetics of the "flat" look, which I like about as much as fingernails on a chalkboard, Apple has completely abandoned the principles that made the original Mac great: ease of use and discoverability. Once upon a time it was easy to tell where the affordances were, what you could click on, editable vs non-editable text. Nowadays everything lo…

Based on how rough the Jira app is on Catalina, if MacOS is going to see more of that then I think I've had my day with Apple.

To be fair to Apple, the JIRA app is the single worst Mac app I've ever used, by quite a long shot. And their web app also has atrocious performance (so much so that it was the deciding factor in a recent decision to move away from JIRA at $DAYJOB).

The Mac App Store is probably a fairer comparison.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by saagarjha »

dcchambers wrote: post #77

I'm not sure why I continue to look forward to new Mac OS announcements every year when Apple continues to focus on consumer apps/features and not pro/developer features. Literally nothing in that preview page excites me as someone that uses Mac OS mainly for developing software. I wish they would use WWDC to announce developer and pro features and not consumer OS features. I don't really care for the UI changes, but…

Take a look at the State of the Union–it's in less than an hour. It's the developer-focused keynote.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by swagonomixxx »

cytzol wrote: post #52

I was really hoping they'd take some time to address Catalina's glaring issues — its slowness, bugginess, just general sloppiness — and instead they did the opposite. Honestly, every time Apple has done anything with the Mac the past couple of years, they've screwed it up. The infamous keyboards that they doubled-down and then tripled-down upon (I have personally had five keyboard replacements). The way Catalina send…

> The way Catalina sends the hash of every binary you run to Apple.

Wait, what?! What are you referring to here? I just updated to Catalina and I wasn't aware of this.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by protonimitate »

cytzol wrote: post #52

I was really hoping they'd take some time to address Catalina's glaring issues — its slowness, bugginess, just general sloppiness — and instead they did the opposite. Honestly, every time Apple has done anything with the Mac the past couple of years, they've screwed it up. The infamous keyboards that they doubled-down and then tripled-down upon (I have personally had five keyboard replacements). The way Catalina send…

The Touch Bar is honestly by least favorite aspect of anything Apple has done in recent memory.

My touch bar had dead pixels (twice), effectively wiping out half the function keys. And when it did work, it was hard to use.

I've been using my MBP as a desktop for the past 8+ months, and while it's slightly better experience, it still sucks that I'm stuck having to buy 3 USB adapters just to make it usable.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by snowwrestler »

jmchuster wrote: post #115
gkoberger wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s possible they will do both. Fixing bugs isn’t really keynote worthy, so hopefully there’s a ton of stability fixes behind the scenes.

It was keynote-worthy for Snow Leopard, with the infamous "0 new features" slide.

Sure but Snow Leopard had serious bugs when it launched too. It was only in later dot releases that it got its reputation for stability.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by heavyset_go »

AnonC wrote: post #34

The UI and UX seem to be getting worse on macOS with the “iOSification” of the OS. I thought Jony Ive’s exit would stop that trend. It’ll be interesting to read perspectives from John Gruber, M J Tsai, Marco Arment, etc. I still haven’t upgraded from Mojave to Catalina because of serious bugs reported by other people (including data loss issues in Mail). I’ll see if Big Sur shows improvements (reported by others) and…

Catalina was the primary motivator to move back to Linux for myself, and I don't regret it. If you care about things like this, you can configure Plasma Desktop with macOS features and shortcuts and end up feeling right at home.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by aspenmayer »

schaefer wrote: post #67

interesting. I'd love to give the new macOS a try, but I don't have any apple hardware. Does anyone know the process for downloading the macOS .iso so I can bring it up under VMWare?

You would need to get the Install macOS [version name].app, and then convert the InstallESD.dmg inside that to an .iso to mount to your VM for the install. There are more steps involving bootloaders which I have included in the second link.

https://github.com/rmc-team/macos-downloader/

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/VirtualBox/Setting_up_a_Virtua...

https://github.com/myspaghetti/macos-virtualbox

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by mnm1 »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #87
xrisk wrote: post #11

Oh god that new Mail app looks disgusting. Reminds me of a shitty Electron app, that kind of design.

Catalina's Mail is terrible too. No more column view with clickable headers, plus data loss issues. I don't care much for Thunderbird but it seems like the only halfway-decent IMAP client for MacOS any more.

Mailspring is nice but they do require a login and probably scrape data. I use it for work only though so I don't care if they spy.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by leipert »

pcr910303 wrote: post #6

I hate that they’re moving to a design where buttons don’t have borders and textures, don’t provide any visual guidances on what’s a button and what’s not. But I absolutely despise them for making iOS apps installable on macOS. That’s... just terrible. This WWDC just felt like that Apple decided that macOS should get merged with iOS and converged them. The Mac doesn’t have a future...

Where did they say that? The full feature list doesn't mention it:

https://www.apple.com/macos/big-sur-preview/features/

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by ryandrake »

hollandheese wrote: post #47
kjakm wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> But I absolutely despise them for making iOS apps installable on macOS. That’s... just terrible. Don't use them then? Seems like a useful feature to me for certain utility apps that don't require a proper Mac app/can't afford to develop one.

Might not have a choice. When OS/2 added Windows app support it killed actual OS/2 apps. Why bother supporting the Mac when you could just make an iPad app and get both markets at once.

> Why bother supporting the Mac when you could just make an iPad app and get both markets at once.

Yea, this is what I'm afraid of. Instead of continued investing in their high quality Mac app, companies will just drop it on the ground and spend all their time working on their toy iPad/iPhone apps, expecting people to switch.

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