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Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by jbverschoor »

AnonC wrote: post #34

The UI and UX seem to be getting worse on macOS with the “iOSification” of the OS. I thought Jony Ive’s exit would stop that trend. It’ll be interesting to read perspectives from John Gruber, M J Tsai, Marco Arment, etc. I still haven’t upgraded from Mojave to Catalina because of serious bugs reported by other people (including data loss issues in Mail). I’ll see if Big Sur shows improvements (reported by others) and…

Yeah. Lack of keyboard support in some apps. Not being able to drag/drop certain icons. I’d have to see the interface to see if it’s good for fast discoverability of features, but I doubt it. It’s starting to look more like windows, but in a bad way.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by CharlesW »

knolan wrote: post #100
Synaesthesia wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I’ve had zero issues upgrading to Catalina, it seems to perform better than Mojave for me, and more stable too.

I’ve a major 10.15 issue on two Macs where doing any kind of calculation in Spotlight maxes out all cores on the CPU for 10-15 minutes.

Friend, it's time for a clean install. You should never have to do one, but macOS isn't yet iPadOS, and cruft happens.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by Lio »

I hope they add keyboard based window management.

It seems daft to me that you still can't move windows around using keyboard shortcuts without third party software.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by the_other »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #7

I'm mixed on the design. I really, really dislike the way macOS has looked since Yosemite, and compared to that, I think this one is an improvement overall. The icons have more depth, and there's far more use of color across the UI. But, it also looks extremely mobile-inspired—I suspect Apple's primary goal was to make iOS ports and apps look less out of place. That's a fine objective, but it also means they weren't…

I’ve had that mental block the whole time I’ve used Macs (10yrs+). The “answer” is easier to work with than you’d think: most of the toolbar drags the window around, not just the title bar.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by pcwalton »

frou_dh wrote: post #25

I'm wondering if this is the release where OpenGL goes from deprecated to fully removed. Presumably Apple didn't want to write OpenGL drivers (full, not ES) for their in-house GPUs.

OpenGL is still supported. https://twitter.com/colincornaby/status/1275153748348682240

OpenGL drivers still basically have to be there because of WebGL on Safari. And if it's a derivative of the GPU on iOS devices, then the GL driver is mostly already written.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by addicted »

SenHeng wrote: post #84

I’m surprised at all the negative takes. I thought it was refreshing, they’re reintroducing colours and icons, cleaning up and using a consistent design language across platforms, and introducing new, well tested convenience features.

Consistent design language across platforms is not a good thing if the design language is chosen based on the lowest common denominator.

Macs usually have large screens, and are driven by a pixel perfect input mechanism. Yet they will now be required to live with a design scheme that is largely designed for devices that would fit in a MacBook touchpad and the primary input for which is a fat finger.

Also, the icons seem to be completely stripped off colors, so I’m not sure where the reintroduction of colors is coming from. Unless you’re talking about the Vista Aero translucent sidebars that are only gonna make things harder to see.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by chadlavi »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #7

I'm mixed on the design. I really, really dislike the way macOS has looked since Yosemite, and compared to that, I think this one is an improvement overall. The icons have more depth, and there's far more use of color across the UI. But, it also looks extremely mobile-inspired—I suspect Apple's primary goal was to make iOS ports and apps look less out of place. That's a fine objective, but it also means they weren't…

I'm pretty sure the goal isn't to make iOS apps look less out of place, rather it's to pave the way for a macOS/iPadOS merge after the 2 year ARM transition is done. Most of the UI changes across the OSes looked to be in service of stitching up the UI inconsistencies.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by MR4D »

dcchambers wrote: post #77

I'm not sure why I continue to look forward to new Mac OS announcements every year when Apple continues to focus on consumer apps/features and not pro/developer features. Literally nothing in that preview page excites me as someone that uses Mac OS mainly for developing software. I wish they would use WWDC to announce developer and pro features and not consumer OS features. I don't really care for the UI changes, but…

I think developers should always start on this page instead of the keynote: https://developer.apple.com/macos/

EDIT: Also meant to point out that every year they have a theme - this year is apparently all interface (as they've probably spent all there time getting ARM working smoothly, and want to minimize the plumbing issues).

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by AlexandrB »

SenHeng wrote: post #84

I’m surprised at all the negative takes. I thought it was refreshing, they’re reintroducing colours and icons, cleaning up and using a consistent design language across platforms, and introducing new, well tested convenience features.

> cleaning up and using a consistent design language across platforms

This is not a positive. A laptop is not a big iPhone and shouldn't use the same design language. One of the worst thing about Windows 10 is its use of huge, touch-friendly interfaces in an OS most commonly used with a keyboard and mouse. MacOS appears to be headed the same way (and it doesn't even support touch screens).

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