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Mathematicians urge colleagues to boycott police work in wake of killings

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Re: Mathematicians urge colleagues to boycott police work in wake of killings

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This doesn't seem to make sense. By more accurately predicting where crimes will occur, the police departments can reduce the amount of patrols needed.

I urge you to read Minority Report, or watch the movie.

That's like telling someone planning on getting their driver's license to watch The Fast and the Furious as if it has any relation to actual driving anyone encounters.

Re: Mathematicians urge colleagues to boycott police work in wake of killings

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This doesn't seem to make sense. By more accurately predicting where crimes will occur, the police departments can reduce the amount of patrols needed.

Nothing that these people are doing makes sense or demonstrates any capacity for forethought.

It demonstrates an extreme and irrational fear of thoughtcrime, though.

Re: Mathematicians urge colleagues to boycott police work in wake of killings

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This doesn't seem to make sense. By more accurately predicting where crimes will occur, the police departments can reduce the amount of patrols needed.

People in high crime neighborhoods rightly regard the police as the enemy, because the police treat them as the enemy. Giving the enemy better intel is never desirable.

Re: Mathematicians urge colleagues to boycott police work in wake of killings

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This doesn't seem to make sense. By more accurately predicting where crimes will occur, the police departments can reduce the amount of patrols needed.

If they inaccurately predict where crime will occur, their recommendations could cause an elevated number of patrols in some neighborhoods.

And if they accurately predict where crime will occur, they will reduce crime in those neighborhoods. It's likely that they would be able to get good results.

Re: Mathematicians urge colleagues to boycott police work in wake of killings

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This doesn't seem to make sense. By more accurately predicting where crimes will occur, the police departments can reduce the amount of patrols needed.

Except this is not how it works. We are not accurately predicting where crimes will occur, but maximizing the amounts of arrests.

Indeed, sending a police patrol will only catch the kind of crime that happens in socio-economically disadvantaged communities, which in turn contributes to skewing the data to suggest that more crimes there, which leads to more policing, which leads to more crime, and so on.

Meanwhile, wage theft, over twice the size of all other kinds of theft put together, keeps growing year after year.

Police patrols should be entirely reactive, and not proactive. Proactive policing does not work.

Re: Mathematicians urge colleagues to boycott police work in wake of killings

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There is no question that the advancement of science has been good for humanity as a whole.

Using math to improve the effectiveness of the police is a good thing. This effort - however well intended maybe - would throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Re: Mathematicians urge colleagues to boycott police work in wake of killings

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This doesn't seem to make sense. By more accurately predicting where crimes will occur, the police departments can reduce the amount of patrols needed.

Nothing that these people are doing makes sense or demonstrates any capacity for forethought.

There are very good reasons why proactive policing leads to bad outcomes. You could read up on that before.

Predicting where you will need to send patrols is proactive policing.

Re: Mathematicians urge colleagues to boycott police work in wake of killings

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post #16

There is no question that the advancement of science has been good for humanity as a whole. Using math to improve the effectiveness of the police is a good thing. This effort - however well intended maybe - would throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Using math to improve the effectiveness of police is not necessarily a good thing, because this kind of works really works to perpetuate proactive policing and over-policing, as well as encodes bias.

Re: Mathematicians urge colleagues to boycott police work in wake of killings

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A lot of comments here are missing the point of boycotting, it's an expression of power with the concrete goal, it's not individual decisions of whether the mathematicians feel the work is "ethical".

Yes, having more liberals working in policing is probably more inline with the goals of those liberals than not, but that's not the point of a boycott.

If the police can't get the help they need from mathematicians because of a large enough boycott then it gets them to the table and forces them to reform.

I'm not arguing whether or not this will work, or making a value judgement, I just see a lot of comments which don't seem to understand this point.

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