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Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them

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Post by learc83 » Mon, Jun 22, 2020, 7:09 PM UTC

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #307

learc83 wrote: post #290

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>It isn't absurd - it's unfair to transmission manufacturers that they have to follow Toyota's rules! The horror! Everything should be allowed for everyone! Otherwise it's oppression! It's not my crappy business model, no, I can't take responsibility. Kick rocks >Perfect example to prove my point. The radio is already regulated by the FCC - if it wasn't, and anyone could stream garbage however they please, like the p…

> You realize that allowing a competing app store, more easily allowing side-loading apps, or not forcing apps to use apple pay for subscriptions wouldn't stop people from using the curated app store. Yes you would - the big part of curation is to prevent malware, or abuse, of the end user. Allowing these others ruins the consumer experience, that directly impacts Apple and I don't blame them. > If as you say people…

>wouldn't stop people from using the curated app store. >Yes you would

How? How does "allowing a competing app store, more easily allowing side-loading apps, or not forcing apps to use apple pay for subscriptions" prevent people from using a curated app store? You just said that it does, but you didn't explain how.

>Allowing these others ruins the consumer experience

Does it ruin the consumer experience on OSX?

>People already pay for that experience when they buy the iPhone.

They keep paying for that experience each time they buy an app. And if it's really a superior experience, they'd keep on paying it even if it wasn't required.

>There are also other OSes out there.

That's laughable.

>This is developer sour grapes, mad because he can't use Apple's service for free to make him more money. For a glorified crappy email application. It's so "entitled silicon valley" I can't even take it.

Basecamp stands so far apart from silicon valley culture that you almost couldn't make a worse comparison.

Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them

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Post by learc83 » Mon, Jun 22, 2020, 7:18 PM UTC

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #309

learc83 wrote: post #292

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>Honestly, I don't think that segment really exists. The ones that would search that out will just as likely be on android as iPhone. Why. The type of people who want a curated mail experience might just happen to be the type of people who like the curated iPhone experience. >If 33% of such an app is enough to cause this much angst, it makes me think it just isn't that popular. Why 33%? If you're right and they're ju…

> Why. The type of people who want a curated mail experience might just happen to be the type of people who like the curated iPhone experience. Even if this were true (doubtful), that doesn't mean there is a segment. A handful may like this application. I can't imagine the market for a ridiculously expensive email client that isn't functional is large. In fact, it's so small, that it can't take the shock of paying 15…

>The type of people who want a curated mail experience might just happen to be the type of people who like the curated iPhone experience.

>Even if this were true (doubtful), that doesn't mean there is a segment.

If you're assuming my scenario is true, then yes it does mean there is a segment. That's what assuming my scenario is true means in this case.

> Apple the big bad (meanwhile the company cheated the system, while developers who followed the rules get screwed).

If, for example, Apple decides to reduce their fees to 10% going forward are all the developers who've paid 30% in the past screwed? If so you have an odd definition of screwed.

>I'm not sure what you're talking about, could you be more clear? 33% really means the 15-30% of revenue that apple takes. I just rounded up to about a third.

I thought you were responding to this > I'd wager that the vast majority of people in that segment are on iPhones.

And that 33% was the percentage of customers on iPhones.

>The fact is the App Store wall entry fee is fair. It's not exorbitant.

I and many other people think that 30% is exorbitant.

>There are too many remedies for this, and there are far bigger fish to fry in anti-trust than this.

Sure, there are always bigger fish to fry. But it's not an either or situation.

Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them

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Post by learc83 » Mon, Jun 22, 2020, 7:26 PM UTC

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #311

learc83 wrote: post #291

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>It's not fair to the developers that don't make shovelware otherwise >In any case, crap apps would flood the market - consumers would get worse experiences, and be less likely to buy apps. Free apps will decimate quality applications. And you'll get the playstore or android, a malware infested UI nightmare. How would apple lowering their feeds, allowing a competing app store, allowing sideloaded apps, or allowing ap…

> How would apple lowering their feeds, allowing a competing app store, allowing sideloaded apps, or allowing apps to have subscriptions outside of apple pay make it easier for crappy apps to make it to the app store? Apple is a company that is fully dedicated to product. Lower fees = lower barrier to entry = crapware, this impacts the product. Sideloaded apps are a dangerous vector for malware ( https://cybersecurit…

>Lower fees = lower barrier to entry = crapware

Up front fees sure. But how exactly does charging 10% instead of 30% of sales, encourage lower quality software? Where is the cutoff for this? Why 30%? Would 50% encourage even higher quality software?

>It's not right to offer an app that doesn't allow subscriptions through the app store, this impacts the product.

It's not right? As in it is morally wrong?

>So back at square one, you see the problem? People WANT curated app stores. They want ONE app store to buy their apps. They don't want to download 10 app stores for 10 different apps.

They can keep buying their apps on 1 curated app store. If the other app stores were so inferior and full of crap, no one would use them, so people such as your self could keep selling apps on the "good" app store. It's a self limiting problem.