Implying we need India to "defeat" China then going on to list all the reasons Chinese citizens are doing better than Indian citizens seems to completely invalidate your argument.
The Importance of India
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How you organize your society matters much more, Japan/SK has fraction of the global population, and somehow maintain their economic importance. They maintain their importance by being creditor nations, i.e. they are productive and save. > India has all the problems of a democracy without much of the benefit. It's more likely that India becomes a CCP style country than stays a democracy. There is a fundamental dist…
Everything you have mentioned is true, but it misses the point. India needs to go through a period of "communism" to get anywhere, the type of land reform needed to reduce poverty won't happen without somebody brutal enough to go against the interests of the wealthy in India. India is still mostly a feudal society, that was thrust into the 20th Century from the 16th Century. It was robbed of 4 centuries of social cha…
> It's more likely that the Indian Communist Party comes into power before 2030
The Communist parties of India (CPI and CPM) currently have 5 seats out of 543 in the 2019 national elections, down from 10 in 2014, 19 in 2009 and 53 in 2004. Do you spot a trend? And you think they are going to be in power in 10 years? You are way, way off the mark and you have little to no understanding of Indian politics.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
> India has all the problems of a democracy without much of the benefit. It's more likely that India becomes a CCP style country than stays a democracy. What is the basis for this? People have been predicting fall of democracy in India for decades (especially in the West), but nothing of that sort has happened. The closest incident was the state of emergency under Indira Gandhi in 1975-1977. India successfully recove…
Having one-party rule for 60 years is no democracy. You don't have a democracy when the state controls all the TV media. > What is the basis for this The basis for this is the level of grinding poverty in India, live in a Indian slum for a year and then come back to me, and spew the virtues of "democracy" vs economic freedom and rights. Poverty is organic propaganda for extremism and communism.
> You don't have a democracy when the state controls all the TV media.
Please share some data points when you make such tall claims. India sure does has Fox and Breitbart equivalent of its own. But that doesn't imply that the state controls 'all the media'.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most of the "knowledge driven economy" is bullshit imo. They're busywork that allows societies that already have a lot of wealth to distribute it to their middle and upper class. People like HFTs don't create nearly the same amount value as their income justifies.
It's interesting to note that India's 7% gdp is from software and tech related exports. Knowledge driven economy is not a myth in the case is india
Well, most of that comes by building products from established standards by the west and providing support services.
So, the point remains, knowledge based economy, while certainly useful, is not the only way for an economy to grow. Sheer hardwork can be an immense force too, that's what the chinese did over the years and what this article points to as well.
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#75But India is still a Semi Slavery society. The untouchables, anyone? The Hindu caste/social grouping system tells millions of people that they are contaminated and their fate is doomed upon birth. This is the most powerful racist/slavery/brain-washing machine that the human being has ever made, no? It is so hard to believe such brutal system still exist in human society. Yet, the country enforcing this claims to be t…
I won't disagree with you, but would rather give people some context who are reading your comment and have never lived in India.
Like everything else in India, even this phenomenon exists in extremes. There are cities like Bangalore/Delhi/Hyderabad (almost all Tier 1 cities) where the IT sector flourishes, the concept of caste is almost invisible; bear in mind this is coming from someone who is from those lower castes.
Then you have other places where it is still socially accepted. My parents home in one of northern states is one of them. Communities/small villages are clustered based on castes, people might be forbidden from entering certain places like temples. Caste based marriages are still the norm there. It's certainly improving, but it takes time like everything else. My father still lives there and occasionally tells me about how things are changing, for instance he recently told me about a Muslim family who have been living there for the past decade, something that might not have been possible even 20-30 years ago.
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#76If someone recognized that they had some level of prejudice against persons from India, what would you advise they do.
To be clear, I have friends of Indian descent, and I value them, but I also work with people from India and I'm afraid I find them more annoying than not.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How you organize your society matters much more, Japan/SK has fraction of the global population, and somehow maintain their economic importance. They maintain their importance by being creditor nations, i.e. they are productive and save. > India has all the problems of a democracy without much of the benefit. It's more likely that India becomes a CCP style country than stays a democracy. There is a fundamental dist…
Everything you have mentioned is true, but it misses the point. India needs to go through a period of "communism" to get anywhere, the type of land reform needed to reduce poverty won't happen without somebody brutal enough to go against the interests of the wealthy in India. India is still mostly a feudal society, that was thrust into the 20th Century from the 16th Century. It was robbed of 4 centuries of social cha…
Are you serious ?
India traded with Muslim nations far before the Brits showed up. British East India Company had to fight Muslim and Hindu rulers in India,by pitting them against each other, to establish their hold. There are documents of Indian saints living under rule of Muslim kings and vice versa.
Please read more about Colonialism and Indian history.
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#78Demographics is not destiny, if it were true, Pakistan would be more powerful than Russia. How you organize your society matters much more, Japan/SK has fraction of the global population, and somehow maintain their economic importance. India has all the problems of a democracy without much of the benefit. It's more likely that India becomes a CCP style country than stays a democracy. If India was so great it's smalle…
> India has all the problems of a democracy without much of the benefit. It's more likely that India becomes a CCP style country than stays a democracy. What is the basis for this? People have been predicting fall of democracy in India for decades (especially in the West), but nothing of that sort has happened. The closest incident was the state of emergency under Indira Gandhi in 1975-1977. India successfully recove…
Not sure if India is still a democracy.
Media and Judiciary are important pillars of democracy, but they are tightly controlled by the Government in India.
Former Chief Justice of India (CJI) Ranjan Gogoi was nominated to the Rajya Sabha by President (Current Government) [1]:
A judge dies right before court case hearing of the top leader of the ruling party. [2]
An Indian Police Service officer [3] is known for his role in filing an affidavit in the Supreme Court of India against the then Chief Minister of the Government of Gujarat, Mr. Modi, concerning Modi's alleged role in the 2002 Gujarat riots. On 30 September 2011, he was arrested due to a case, the Supreme Court suspended the case in April 2012. On 20 June 2019, he was sentenced to life in relation to another case dating back to 1990.
A 27-year old pregnant lady has been lodged in Jail for participating in the anti-CAA protests and denied bail as the judge finds 'no merit' in her bail plea. [4]. She is accused of "planning to hold protests".
A gunman fired shots at protestors during the same anti-CAA protests [5] and gets bail within a month [6] by the court:
A ruling party leader who gave a hate speech during the same anti-CAA protests on camera while police officers standing with him on stage is free and still part of the ruling party. [7]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranjan_Gogoi#Member_of_Rajya_S...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brijgopal_Harkishan_Loya
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjiv_Bhatt
[4] https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/delhi/2020/jun/04/ja...
[5] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/30/gunman-injures...
[6] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/shaheen-bagh-shooter-kapil-b...
[7] https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/bjp-leader-kapil-mishras-3-d...
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#79India being "a counterweight to the rise of authoritarianism in the 21st century" while Modi and BJP are in power. This is so misguided its funny.
Wasn’t Modi democratically elected — twice?
Yes. So? You can have a democratically-elected authoritarian. The authoritarian part is about how they govern, not how they get to power. (And, perhaps, how they stay in power. Venezuela is a good example of authoritarians, once in power, stacking the deck so that the next election keeps them in power. And as they become more unpopular, they continue to stack the deck farther and farther. I don't know if Modi and BJP are doing that.)
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#80India is like a thousand different things heading in a thousand different directions. And those vectors change from day to day. There is no control in such a system. Only an illusion of control. Its as good as looking at two hurricanes and saying well this hurricane is heading towards us, so we better "support" the other one and maybe cool shit will happen. It makes an engaging story though.
> India is like a thousand different things heading in a thousand different directions.
The Republic of India more than 70 years old. And India is not the only democracy with a multitude of cultures.