I don't really get reddit's efforts to clean their site. They sometimes come up with measures like this, while routinely ignoring the development of horrible communities that they're aware of (since some users take any possible opportunity to mention them to the admins and are met with silence or half measures). They even came up with the concept of quarantined subreddits. I honestly can't think of a single honest re…
My take on quarantined subreddits is that it’s just a tool to remove certain communities from the mobile app so they don’t get in trouble with Apple / Google (mostly Apple, I’m sure).
Reddit started banning accounts that voted for content “against their policies”
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Re: Reddit started banning accounts that voted for content “against their policies”
#172I used Reddit a lot back in 2013ish but went off of it. Looking at it now, it feels like that in general the site is really mean spirited. Also upvoting means that you're just seeing whatever the majority of voters want you to see. It works on a smaller community like HN because comments get 10s of upvotes at most. It's not a site for good discourse. However there's communities where there is interesting discussion s…
It's been clear over the last few years that the popular subreddits are the ones that have the most dramatic content.
Smaller subreddit do tend to have better discourse though until eventually, they get large enough to become popular and start to become the same echo chambers.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a marijuana related subreddit that is geo-banned from Canadian IPs. Reddit just says “This content has been restricted in your country in response to a legal request. Geoblocked in Canada due to General legal request” Is there any way to push Reddit to disclose who sent the request? I’d love to followup with that agency, but we have a lot of police services in Canada, if it was one.
You seem to have forgotten to name the subreddit. Reddit stopped copying Lumen (Chilling Effects) around 5 years ago.
(NSFW I guess, but not porn)
Re: Reddit started banning accounts that voted for content “against their policies”
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's nothing wrong with Reddit not wanting to facilitate and provide a platform for that sort of content, though. It's a massively popular site with mainstream appeal. They don't want to let that popularity and audience be taken advantage of to spread ideas that are hateful and likely to incite violence. Quarantined subreddits are dumb, but it's a sign that their afraid of the backlash of outright banning them - t…
To the extent that a site like Reddit tries to police content and decide what's "hateful" content versus just mildly offensive, etc, the platform becomes less valuable to me. These policy changes have driven me off of Reddit. Not because I was part of any quarantined "communities" but just because I see where things are going. Reddit used to actually believe in the ideal of free speech, full stop. That stopped being…
I used to be completely against de-platforming people. And I still think sometimes it goes too far - people should be exposed to diverse ideas, and disagreeing with someone doesn't instantly make you a nazi. I won't mention names here, but there are a lot of people that I've vehemently disagreed with on major issues, but still followed along with 'sunlight is the best disinfectant.' I thought that they were ultimately exposing themselves as bigots and hatemongers when going on TV shows, writing op eds, showing up at college campuses. That they would end up taking care of themselves.
But then I realized that I was seeing more and more people quote them, quote their rhetoric. And I'm not even talking about stuff along the lines of 'Black Lives Matter' vs 'Blue/All Lives Matter' type stuff - people being blatantly anti-semetic, people glorifying pedophilia because "it happened to them and they turned out OK", all sorts of very cut and dry "bad things."
When we give these large public platforms to people peddling this, we're directly increasing the spread of the rhetoric. Reddit doesn't want to be involved in spreading this sort of rhetoric, even in it's milder forms, because people get radicalized slowly - you start with the softer sound bites, the ones where they have a lot more wiggle room to claim you don't mean this other thing. And as people start to agree with that idea, you move in with one that pushes the boundaries a bit farther. Keep repeating this process, and someone ends up embedded in the extreme forms of hate.
Reddit wants to cut that off at the start and not play a part in spreading these ideologies and helping radicalize people into them. They've realized that sunlight isn't enough to disinfect things that are fundamentally rotten, especially when these subreddits are largely monocultures without outside influence coming in. If they don't want to be a party to the radicalization of people into buying in on extremist hateful ideologies, they have to do this, and they can't stand by doing nothing in the name of "free speech"
On most of the internet, you don't win arguments by being right. You don't convince people by providing a well research, well sourced, informative argument. You win by beating people into submission. You win by having the better sound bites, the pithier quotes, the most upvotes and most people agreeing with you. And since these subreddits are so self selecting, when you wander in as an outsider, you only see the "winners" - the dissenting voices got downvoted, the bad arguments that appeal to the population of the reddit get upvoted.
Is this a lot of responsibility to put in the hands of people? Yes. Can it lead to the same sort of problem I'm describing here? Yes. Is there any other choice? Not that I can see. You can stand by and let something that you know is harmful and dangerous to human lives happen on your watch because you're afraid you might someday end up doing the same thing, and know that there will be bad results. Or you can risk it, try to take steps to prevent yourself from falling into the same trap, and move forward with something that is necessary with knowledge that if you are not careful you can become part of the problem.
Re: Reddit started banning accounts that voted for content “against their policies”
#175I don't really get reddit's efforts to clean their site. They sometimes come up with measures like this, while routinely ignoring the development of horrible communities that they're aware of (since some users take any possible opportunity to mention them to the admins and are met with silence or half measures). They even came up with the concept of quarantined subreddits. I honestly can't think of a single honest re…
I think quarantined subreddits play the same role as "NSFW" tagging on posts: They're not banned, but it improves the user experience to not see them by accident.
Re: Reddit started banning accounts that voted for content “against their policies”
#176Reddit has been compromised with actors who do not have free speech in their best interest. The other day there was an illuminating ask reddit post about transexuals who decided to transition back and their experiences. That post got promptly removed by moderators; even though there was no hateful content within it at all. They effectively silenced the transexual population due to an ever so slight conflict of ideolo…
Not exactly the same thing but the other day I got banned from r/ADHD for a (moderate from my POV) comment about pronouns. The mod then gloated about banning dozens of people other this and that "LGBTQIA+ people run the subreddit", and that "the lack of discrimination (...) for being cis or being white or being straight or being a man overshadows any discrimination they would receive for their adhd" I don't think tha…
Re: Reddit started banning accounts that voted for content “against their policies”
#177If social justice is so important to them, I suggest to go help homeless people or to go taking care of the elderly instead of posting on social networks.
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#178I think it would quickly devolve into 4Chan. Almost all of the current community would decamp, and the trolls that infest other sites would take over.
Re: Reddit started banning accounts that voted for content “against their policies”
#179I don't think Reddit should be able to censor lawful content and also claim protections under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. If they want to police lawful content that is fine but then they are no longer an open platform and they should forfeit their Section 230 protections. I dislike the ability for online platforms to have their cake of protection against lawsuits and also eat their cake of policing…
The problem is that "lawful content" includes things like explicit support for Nazism and the KKK (not 2020 "Trump is a Nazi" kind of allegations of Nazism, but actual Nazis). Even things like abstract calls for violence are protected under the First Amendment: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio I don't think people espousing this view understand the scope of what sites need to tolerate to comply. Wo…
Re: Reddit started banning accounts that voted for content “against their policies”
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
Subreddits can be unwanted by Reddit, but otherwise non-toxic.
This is correct, but the toxic, racist, alt-right, pro-fascism posts covering the front pages of sites like voat and ruqqus make me and many others wholly uninterested in these sites. If someone wants to provide an alternative to reddit but they don’t want to moderate/censor content that makes people uncomfortable, Reddit becomes the lesser evil.