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Re: Most employees of NYT won’t be required back in physical offices until 2021

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Post by moksly »

claudeganon wrote: post #87
moksly wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems insane. I work in digitalisation in Denmark, as a developer, so I can do everything from home. We’re running at 50% as our country is slowly coming back from a lockdown, but those 50% go to the people who actually need to be at the office, so I’m in no way a priority. I wonder what management will do with the COVID data though. Our productivity is through the roof, but they’ve just spent several hundred mill…

My partner’s company just had their most profitable quarter in company history, when everyone but some bare bones staff was working at home, and they’re still debating whether or not to bring everyone back into the office. At a certain point you have to recognize that it’s not about being safe or rational. It’s about bosses making sure they can hold power over employees.

They probably realise a home based workforce needs fewer bosses.

Re: Most employees of NYT won’t be required back in physical offices until 2021

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Post by tsm »

dannyw wrote: post #84
fierarul wrote: post #80

Everybody talks about online mobs and trolls but what happens when the entire workforce is online? How vicious can one (mob) be against another co-worker when you can't phisically see him to calibrate what's really going on and the reaction to what you do?

Well hopefully you don't have vicious mobs at your workplace.

My generally-pretty-friendly workplace has recently had quite a bit of viciousness about:

a) bbatsov's response to calls for Rubocop to be renamed

b) The use of "master" as the canonical branch's name in our main git repo

c) Linking to xkcd #75 (which uses the c-word) (the link was provided in response to a thread about mixed levels of profanity)

Re: Most employees of NYT won’t be required back in physical offices until 2021

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Post by swyx »

elicash wrote: post #38
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #32

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I wonder if that's a great representation? They're all posing for the photo, there may normally be less people there.

I just meant desk setup. Context of the photo was a celebration of Alissa Rubin winning a Pulitzer in April 2016.

normally notable but doesnt nyt win boatloads of those every year? what made this one stand out for you?

Re: Most employees of NYT won’t be required back in physical offices until 2021

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Post by ghaff »

untog wrote: post #69
conanbatt wrote: post #65

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I've worked remotely most my life but as a new parent...I really want an office.

As a (not quite so new) parent I really want a coworking space that's a five minute walk from my apartment. That way I can do school dropoffs and pickups so much more easily. In my dreams expanded remote work means lots more coworking spaces popping up. I know, I'm a dreamer...

I assume there will be plenty of co-working spaces at least in cities. But, at least so long as the company has an office you could go into, I wouldn't expect they'd reimburse you for it. Some companies will do this but, in my experience, it's only if there is no company office in a city.

Re: Most employees of NYT won’t be required back in physical offices until 2021

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Post by product50 »

ryanSrich wrote: post #62
TACIXAT wrote: post #52

I really hate how this is being dragged out in month sized increments. My partner and I went to Austin for a month and a half and now are back in the Bay Area to hear the next decision on her office reopening. 2021 is 6 months away. That's not enough to move somewhere else that would make the pain of moving worth it.

I say this with all seriousness, and I understand some people don't have this luxury, but if you do, please quit. These companies will continue to punish their employees if they are allowed to do so. The only way to create change is through leverage. This goes for anyone facing this decision. If you have the ability to quit, you should absolutely do it. Take a year off, find another company that doesn't support archa…

what bad behavior? providing a 6mo heads up that you don't need to come back is pretty reasonable. while you are at criticizing these companies, do know that a lot of smaller companies are requiring their employees to come to work in lots of places.

Re: Most employees of NYT won’t be required back in physical offices until 2021

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

duxup wrote: post #10
Loughla wrote: post #5

Meanwhile, my employer has said zero remote work once the state transitions into the next phase. They want to be "fair" to everyone, including those who have positions that cannot be performed remotely. So, you have a co-morbidity? Nope. You have no childcare suddenly? Nope. It's startling how stuck in the 1980's some people are. Just absolutely astonishing.

The implication being going into the office sucks and everyone has to do it to be fair. I wonder if they're aware of that subtext....

Commuting would be easier with less people doing it too, so whilst going to the office is sucks, for many, due to transportation issues it would stick a little less with fewer people doing it. Even a single company can make parking easier if only half the company car-commutes continue.

Of course many businesses require employees to be present.

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Post by ryanSrich »

product50 wrote: post #95
ryanSrich wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say this with all seriousness, and I understand some people don't have this luxury, but if you do, please quit. These companies will continue to punish their employees if they are allowed to do so. The only way to create change is through leverage. This goes for anyone facing this decision. If you have the ability to quit, you should absolutely do it. Take a year off, find another company that doesn't support archa…

what bad behavior? providing a 6mo heads up that you don't need to come back is pretty reasonable. while you are at criticizing these companies, do know that a lot of smaller companies are requiring their employees to come to work in lots of places.

If a job can be done remotely, then it should be done remotely. Forcing your employees into an office so you can play up office politics and look good in front of your board is bad behavior. It's archaic, gross, and in the case of a pandemic, negligent.

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Post by cheez »

Loughla wrote: post #48
WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #9

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> Wow, I guess I'll just tell my team you want them to die and they should find another job This is what I told my boss when these orders came down... they are still deciding what to do. Edit: Be aware, I have enough emergency savings for around 3 years worth of fuck it. I'm not you and you should not be me.

>As an institution of higher education, I believe that we should be evaluating all of our options and enacting what is equitable for our employees. Please note that 'equitable' does not mean everyone is treated the same. Some individuals have life circumstances out of their control during COVID. We are already working remotely, we know that it does work. Further, it gives those of us that need it the most the flexibi…

You work for higher ed. COVID is about to decimate them. I'm not surprised they are taking this tack. It's survival mode now.

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Post by onetimeonly____ »

tsm wrote: post #92
dannyw wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well hopefully you don't have vicious mobs at your workplace.

My generally-pretty-friendly workplace has recently had quite a bit of viciousness about: a) bbatsov's response to calls for Rubocop to be renamed b) The use of "master" as the canonical branch's name in our main git repo c) Linking to xkcd #75 (which uses the c-word) (the link was provided in response to a thread about mixed levels of profanity)

When bikeshedding meets virtue signaling you know you're in for a good ride

Re: Most employees of NYT won’t be required back in physical offices until 2021

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

Loughla wrote: post #5

Meanwhile, my employer has said zero remote work once the state transitions into the next phase. They want to be "fair" to everyone, including those who have positions that cannot be performed remotely. So, you have a co-morbidity? Nope. You have no childcare suddenly? Nope. It's startling how stuck in the 1980's some people are. Just absolutely astonishing.

Here they are asking for volunteers first, but there is a clear push from management to get people back in the office ( and that is despite the fact that by all official metrics of our unit, we are basically killing it ). Doesn't matter. They want control.

Current rumblings suggest we are going back in July.

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