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An LSD Trip “Off-Switch” May Be Coming Soon

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Re: An LSD Trip “Off-Switch” May Be Coming Soon

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I've never been able to even contemplate eating while tripping and the idea of drinking alcohol while tripping turns my stomach, I find it much easier to just take some alprazolam or diazepam if things start getting out of hand. That's just me personally though, I've tripped with a guy who went and bought and ate a whole chicken while tripping...

protip.. Try and force yourself to eat, it gives you one less thing for your body to be weird about.

Your body can definitely handle fasting for half a day. Frankly eating gives your body more things to be weird about.

Re: An LSD Trip “Off-Switch” May Be Coming Soon

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So no info on what it actually is. Just some company filing a patent. And the fact that they call it "a neutralizer technology" suggests that it's probably just a bunch of BS combined with previously known drugs to make it patentable. I'm pretty sure there's at least some published research on using at least one antipsychotic for that and mountains of "folk research" on using benzodiazepines.

I'm curious what would be the market for this? wouldn't that be an extremely niche scenario within the emergency-response medicine where people inexperienced with LSD who suffer a bad trip ask to be taken off it? afaik LSD isn't a drug that one is likely to OD from either.

Psilocybin (from mushrooms) and MDMA are both fast tracked for FDA approval as adjuncts to therapy. Psychedelics are poised to become the most common psychiatric treatment in the world, with ongoing trials showing huge effects for treating PTSD, addiction, and treatment-resistant depression. Despite a lot of therapeutic promise, LSD has not received as much research attention, primarily because of its duration of effect. Having therapists present for up to 24 hours (compared to 6 for psilocybin) is prohibitively expensive. A true off switch would facilitate its study and use in treatment.

Re: An LSD Trip “Off-Switch” May Be Coming Soon

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Interesting, I didn't know that. Now I wish I'd had a Xanax after my one trip which kept me awake until 4-5 am after taking acid around noon (otherwise it was an incredible day, it was just annoying not being able to sleep). Don't benzos have some pretty nasty side effects and/or dependency potential though? Maybe this drug is a bit more targeted / less risky?

Try smoking a bunch of strong weed to sleep after tripping, works better than alcohol for me, YMMV. Strong indicas in particular, Gorilla Glue for example.

This is the opposite of what I would suggest. Marijuana + acid is a classic recipe for intensity, and a way to re-enter a trip when you're coming down.

That smoking a psychoactive when you're on an intense psychoactive somehow helps you go to sleep makes you at extreme outlier fwiw.

Re: An LSD Trip “Off-Switch” May Be Coming Soon

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So no info on what it actually is. Just some company filing a patent. And the fact that they call it "a neutralizer technology" suggests that it's probably just a bunch of BS combined with previously known drugs to make it patentable. I'm pretty sure there's at least some published research on using at least one antipsychotic for that and mountains of "folk research" on using benzodiazepines.

It's probably a serotonin 5-HT2a antagonist, given that most of the psychedelic effects come from 5-HT2a agonism.

Re: An LSD Trip “Off-Switch” May Be Coming Soon

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buy monero, download tor, dark.fail next day trip.

You can also do, smart phone currency app to buy tokens -> morphtoken exchange to Monero -> Tails OS -> dark.fail

Smart phone currency app? What's an example?

Re: An LSD Trip “Off-Switch” May Be Coming Soon

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People regularly use Trazodone [1] as a trip killer. I personally haven't and I don't like using them, but it does its job pretty well from what I've heard. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trazodone

Lmao I can confirm that Trazodone will put you OUT. I have never tried LSD or used Trazodone as a post-peak downer, but when using it for general anxiety management I found it very powerful.

Re: An LSD Trip “Off-Switch” May Be Coming Soon

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So no info on what it actually is. Just some company filing a patent. And the fact that they call it "a neutralizer technology" suggests that it's probably just a bunch of BS combined with previously known drugs to make it patentable. I'm pretty sure there's at least some published research on using at least one antipsychotic for that and mountains of "folk research" on using benzodiazepines.

I'm curious what would be the market for this? wouldn't that be an extremely niche scenario within the emergency-response medicine where people inexperienced with LSD who suffer a bad trip ask to be taken off it? afaik LSD isn't a drug that one is likely to OD from either.

People on or approaching a bad trip I assume. Just don't know who will bother having any on hand if this happens.

Re: An LSD Trip “Off-Switch” May Be Coming Soon

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To be honest, I'm more interested in an easy to acquire "On-Switch" than anything else.

Meditation. There are certain kinds of meditation that light up the brain in a near identical way to magic mushrooms, though imho the experience is better. An advanced practitioner only takes about 20 minutes of meditation to get into that kind of state. They can stay in that state as long as they want, and they can strengthen it or weaken it even turning it off whenever they want.

Re: An LSD Trip “Off-Switch” May Be Coming Soon

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note: i’m not a doctor or anything related. Wikipedia says “5-HT2A antagonists block the psychedelic activity of LSD”[0], so wouldn’t 5-ht2a antagonists like mirtazapine work well enough here? No idea as to how quickly the trip would be tempered, though [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide

Probably not; if the LSD is already bound to a 5-HT2A receptor, then how is an antagonist going to bind with that receptor?

[source: PhD in drug design specializing in G-protein coupled receptor pharmacology]

Drugs like LSD form non-covalent bonds with receptors. In a macro-world analogy, think of your hand sticking to a syrup-covered fork vs. a covalent bond being your hand stuck to a super-glue covered fork. Different drugs have different levels of "stickiness" (called affinity) for a particular receptor, and LSD has pretty high affinity for its target receptor, 5-HT2a, but it isn't permanently attached. In fact, affinity is defined by relative association vs. dissociation rates of drug-receptor complex.

On a microscopic level, each molecule of LSD is falling in and out of the receptor binding site stochastically. This leaves open the possibility of another drug binding to the same site (called competitive inhibition) when LSD isn't occupying the site. If another drug has a higher affinity, it will occupy the receptor more of the time. When you zoom out and consider the entire set of receptors and drugs, the sum of these individual stochastic events these effects follow characteristic patterns described by the law of mass action.

https://derangedphysiology.com/main/cicm-primary-exam/requir... is a pretty good description

*I'm simplifying parts of this somewhat.

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