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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by tathougies »

joelbluminator wrote: post #275
infamouscow wrote: post #212

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Name one country that has opened for tourists or has recently (as in the last week or two) said they will open for tourists.

Greece https://www.greece-is.com/when-can-i-travel-to-greece-again/ . Also, I'm based in the Netherlands and heard that Amsterdam already sees tourists from Germany etc. Of course it's nothing like the masses that usually come there, but it's not closed.

Amsterdam and Germany are both in the Schengen area. Certainly there is more to border shutdowns between the two states other than government fiat?

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by core-questions »

jhardy54 wrote: post #521
john_moscow wrote: post #503

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This comment is the reason why we need to rethink our current culture of censorship and social media outrage. It explains a non-trivial logical connection, showing how something that could look unpopular from the surface, would pay off in the long run. Except you cannot make comments like this in public anymore. Because all it takes is an angry mob leader shouting "%USERNAME% is %CLICHE%ist" and that's it. Your emplo…

Explaining my downvote: I'm thoroughly annoyed at all of the versions of this comment on HN lately. It adds nothing to the discussion, and derails the conversation we were having to talk about some vague injustice where People These Days don't let you say Stuff Like This. Can you point to something you've said that's resulted in the problem you've described?

Are you literally not looking around at all these days? Your filter bubble must be very, very small and selective indeed to somehow have missed Cancel Culture.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by core-questions »

comex wrote: post #510
john_moscow wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is the reason why we need to rethink our current culture of censorship and social media outrage. It explains a non-trivial logical connection, showing how something that could look unpopular from the surface, would pay off in the long run. Except you cannot make comments like this in public anymore. Because all it takes is an angry mob leader shouting "%USERNAME% is %CLICHE%ist" and that's it. Your emplo…

I don't see anything in the parent comment that's even remotely controversial. Almost everyone across the political spectrum agrees that we should spend more on education, at least in the abstract. There's plenty of disagreement on the details, but I don't see anything in the comment that stakes out a strong position on any of the major issues. Perhaps I'm missing something.

Here's the problem: you cannot guarantee equal outcomes across intersectional groups. Period. Not going to happen. A hundred years of psychometric research backs this up; there are simply differences that cannot be papered over by adjusting metrics and applying equalizing coefficients.

A highly effective education system that really gets the best out of every person involved is also going to be selective, it is going to group people into different classes based on ability, and the resulting output is going to be highly offensive to the militant people who right now are literally doing their best to take over American cities.

So no, we can't fix this problem. We can spend more on it, but ultimately all of that money is just IOUs against a decaying system that demands everyone be equal, even if that lowest common denominator means all but the super-rich end up living in a favela within a few decades.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by jhardy54 »

tekknik wrote: post #624
jhardy54 wrote: post #586

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Sorry, based on your comment history I don't think I'd like to discuss anything with you. Cheers.

So because someone has a counter opinion from yours to refuse debate but stand on a public forum without desire to be challenged? Wow.

I'm happy to have discussions with people I disagree with, but generally once you're down the "poverty is good, actually" [0] rabbit hole I think a discussion would be a waste of both of our time.

I think you should be embarrassed at edgelord takes like "I don’t see the value an impoverished set of humans can provide" [1], and I don't have any interest in talking with far-right extremists. Bye.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23591648

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23599938

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by ChristianBundy »

core-questions wrote: post #632
jhardy54 wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explaining my downvote: I'm thoroughly annoyed at all of the versions of this comment on HN lately. It adds nothing to the discussion, and derails the conversation we were having to talk about some vague injustice where People These Days don't let you say Stuff Like This. Can you point to something you've said that's resulted in the problem you've described?

Are you literally not looking around at all these days? Your filter bubble must be very, very small and selective indeed to somehow have missed Cancel Culture.

I've seen people get offended by celebrities with insensitive takes, but I've never seen anyone on HN get cancelled because of a comment. The worst I've seen is "this is wrong and here's why" or "I don't want to talk to you".

Generally I've seen people reach for "cancel culture" when:

1. Fear-mongering the left over perceived injustice.

2. Defending bad takes by tone-policing any disagreement.

Can you point to a comment by john_moscow where they've been 'cancelled'? Or maybe a comment by you?

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by ChristianBundy »

gorbachev15 wrote: post #479
kiliantics wrote: post #403

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What if they moved to Japan because of an opportunity provided by a Japanese organisation that needed their skills, and then they spent enough time there that they had buy in to the community and were a recognised member in it and were valued by that community? I don't think this is too hard to imagine applying to a person living long term in Japan and definitely not hard to imagine in the US, where there are no true…

If I lived there a long time, I still wouldn't be Japanese. Look, it's definitely an emotionally charged issue the longer someone has been in a place, but that doesn't change the basic facts. We can discuss the merits all day long but not the legitimacy of the government to decide who can and cannot stay. For the purposes of this debate, "Americans" means citizens and those that can vote, the ones to whom the governm…

> We can discuss the merits all day long but not the legitimacy of the government to decide who can and cannot stay.

Why can't we discuss the legitimacy of the government?

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

tekknik wrote: post #623
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #608

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Why aren't all former penal colonies full of criminals? Maybe it's because there are a lot of crimes that are situational. For truly violent offenders who refuse to be rehabilitated? Keep them away from everyone else, including other prisoners. For everyone else though? We should be figuring out what they lack and help them find it. The reason we DON'T do that is because state prisons are glorified slave rackets. The…

Which crimes are situational? And I still don’t agree that someone committing a crime is the victim here. To entertain that idea is just silly. For profit prisons are more cost effective than government run prisons. We are a capitalist society, people seek profit here, including the entirety of the country.

Nah, what's silly is the idea that we need to rationalize uses of force against citizens by private third parties. It's fundamentally stupid and should be illegal because it incentivizes incarceration.

And most people don't "seek profit" here in their day to day lives. That's zero-sum idiocy.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by dang »

dvtrn wrote: post #625
dang wrote: post #617

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I don't disagree that much with either you or solarkraft. Moderation is guesswork and not all of these guesses hit the target. FWIW, here is some explanation of the general approach we take. Brevity is fine. The issue is the expected value of future subthreads: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... . We have to go by effects, not intent: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=tr…

"When the topic is flamebait" To be clear, which topic specifically are you alluding to because I think anyone with any cognizance on the issues of race and nationalism have a lot of overlapping features and a lot of cloudy, hard to define nuance, so can you please disambiguate in this instance?

I don't think I was thinking of a specific topic when I wrote that. The OP was about Trump and immigration, which is obviously an inflammatory and divisive topic. The arguments about racism, protests, police brutality are others. It's not hard to recognize these.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by comex »

core-questions wrote: post #633
comex wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see anything in the parent comment that's even remotely controversial. Almost everyone across the political spectrum agrees that we should spend more on education, at least in the abstract. There's plenty of disagreement on the details, but I don't see anything in the comment that stakes out a strong position on any of the major issues. Perhaps I'm missing something.

Here's the problem: you cannot guarantee equal outcomes across intersectional groups. Period. Not going to happen. A hundred years of psychometric research backs this up; there are simply differences that cannot be papered over by adjusting metrics and applying equalizing coefficients. A highly effective education system that really gets the best out of every person involved is also going to be selective, it is going…

In short, you're claiming that some races or genders are inherently more capable than others, independent of all 'nurture' factors? If so, you're wrong, but feel free to clarify what "hundred years of psychometric research" you're referring to.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by [deleted] »

dragonwriter wrote: post #626
codelord wrote: post #313

Disclaimer: I'm an immigrant. There are companies like Cognizant/InfoSys/Tata/... whose business model is based on abusing the H1B system, and that's obviously wrong and I'm quite surprised they get away with it. I'm not defending that. To those who broadly argue against skilled visas, consider this: Most H1B immigrants are between 20-30 age range. The prime age to join the workforce. Think how much investment you ha…

> Most H1B immigrants There are no H-1B immigrants. There may be H-1B holders who plan to become immigrants, but H-1B is a nonimmigrant work visa. > Now all these immigrants have learned your language, passed job interviews, and are competing to come to your country to give you 1$M and help your economy. No, they are competing to come and reduce the market clearing cost of labor and increase the returns to capital in…

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