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First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Late 2020 or Early 2021

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Re: First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Late 2020 or Early 2021

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Post by GradientAssent »

cable2600 wrote: post #5
kevsim wrote: post #3

Possibly stupid question - does Apple switching to ARM mean the death of Bootcamp?

Possible so, unless Apple makes the ARM chip run Intel code. Windows is overrated now and only Windows 10 matters at this point in time. For $150 you can buy a cheap Intel based PC laptop with Windows 10 on it. I think Bootcamp might work for ARM based Linux and the ARM version of Windows 10. At least Raspberry PIs that are ARM based can run those.

Many games still aren't available on Mac, and things like Wine are not nearly as clean of an experience as just installing games in native Windows. I'd guess switching to ARM will set back the progress made in Mac gaming as well.

Re: First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Late 2020 or Early 2021

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Post by etaioinshrdlu »

vegetablepotpie wrote: post #6

Often when Apple shifts the rest of the industry follows within 5 years (touch screen smart phones, ultrabooks, high DPI displays). Although Apple has done architecture shifts before with no impact to the rest of the industry (68k -> PPC -> Intel), I wonder if this will be different. I read in another thread that volume is what propelled x86s popularity. Intel’s difficulty with 10nm has created an opening for other f…

The Windows PC industry has historically been, and still is, much more dependent on 3rd party software than the Apple ecosystem. So performance will not be good without porting 3rd party software to ARM.

It's similar problem to how Chromebooks have still not really displaced Windows laptops except at the very low end of the market.

Although the significance of this seems lower now than at any time I can remember as more happens in a browser than ever. Windows 10 apparently is fully ARM compatible with a built-in x86 emulation layer, so perhaps it could work.

Re: First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Late 2020 or Early 2021

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Post by [deleted] »

vegetablepotpie wrote: post #6

Often when Apple shifts the rest of the industry follows within 5 years (touch screen smart phones, ultrabooks, high DPI displays). Although Apple has done architecture shifts before with no impact to the rest of the industry (68k -> PPC -> Intel), I wonder if this will be different. I read in another thread that volume is what propelled x86s popularity. Intel’s difficulty with 10nm has created an opening for other f…

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Re: First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Late 2020 or Early 2021

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Post by moondev »

vegetablepotpie wrote: post #6

Often when Apple shifts the rest of the industry follows within 5 years (touch screen smart phones, ultrabooks, high DPI displays). Although Apple has done architecture shifts before with no impact to the rest of the industry (68k -> PPC -> Intel), I wonder if this will be different. I read in another thread that volume is what propelled x86s popularity. Intel’s difficulty with 10nm has created an opening for other f…

ARM laptops already exist https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/surface-pro-x-arm-app-com...

Re: First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Late 2020 or Early 2021

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Post by Chernobog »

mobilio wrote: post #10
kevsim wrote: post #3

Possibly stupid question - does Apple switching to ARM mean the death of Bootcamp?

Almost definitely - yes.

Given that an ARM version of Windows 10 exists, why do you say "almost definitively"?

Re: First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Late 2020 or Early 2021

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Post by ghettoimp »

cable2600 wrote: post #5
kevsim wrote: post #3

Possibly stupid question - does Apple switching to ARM mean the death of Bootcamp?

Possible so, unless Apple makes the ARM chip run Intel code. Windows is overrated now and only Windows 10 matters at this point in time. For $150 you can buy a cheap Intel based PC laptop with Windows 10 on it. I think Bootcamp might work for ARM based Linux and the ARM version of Windows 10. At least Raspberry PIs that are ARM based can run those.

Would Intel be able to use patents to prevent them from doing x86 emulation?

Re: First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Late 2020 or Early 2021

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Post by benologist »

Chernobog wrote: post #16
mobilio wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost definitely - yes.

Given that an ARM version of Windows 10 exists, why do you say "almost definitively"?

People mostly dual-boot so they can access software they need that isn't on macOS, but it isn't available on ARM Windows either so why would Apple care to foster a nascent competing platform?

Re: First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Late 2020 or Early 2021

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Post by acephal »

GradientAssent wrote: post #11
cable2600 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Possible so, unless Apple makes the ARM chip run Intel code. Windows is overrated now and only Windows 10 matters at this point in time. For $150 you can buy a cheap Intel based PC laptop with Windows 10 on it. I think Bootcamp might work for ARM based Linux and the ARM version of Windows 10. At least Raspberry PIs that are ARM based can run those.

Many games still aren't available on Mac, and things like Wine are not nearly as clean of an experience as just installing games in native Windows. I'd guess switching to ARM will set back the progress made in Mac gaming as well.

They sent the message they wanted everybody to hear about gaming when they turned the lever on 32bit support
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