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Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by wahnfrieden » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 8:52 PM UTC

vmception wrote: post #132

throa2213 wrote: post #112

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Thanks for the information! Could you share how much does it cost to create "one of the popular quickly and cheaply grown accounts to slide into the DMs of local women"? E.g., let's say I wanna create another meme account with 5k followers, how much shall I pay for other meme accounts for a promotion on average? And I was always thinking that the engagement ratio is low for meme accounts, any information about it?

Buy the account and rebrand to similar content. Don't grow the account from scratch, let teenagers in eastern europe and malaysia do that. Try not to get scammed when buying the account. Anything you do from then on is to offset the decline in followers. De-risk and break even on doing promos for other people. (lets say you bought a $5k account for $50, do 5-10 promos for other people, done. Start with more capital a…

How do you source these accounts to buy?

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by anon9001 » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 9:00 PM UTC

vmception wrote: post #138

anon9001 wrote: post #136

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Fascinating stuff. If you wrote a series of blog posts detailing how you manipulate the world of instagram, you'd probably frontpage HN. Last question: If I wanted to throw a few bucks at it and play in the sandbox, do you think there's any actual legal concerns? Do you use a burner phone number and proxy for dealing with your accounts, or is this all so normalized now that it's fine to tie your real identity to meme…

Yeah only reason you want a burner phone is because Facebook is obsessed with SMS 2-factor because they care more about aggregating user data than security. Do they allow OTP systems yet? People that know your phone number will try to steal your popular account with SS7 attacks if they find a way to put two and two together. I think you can still sign up with email. OH you mean to use the instagram app. Yeah thats no…

Thanks for all your answers! I think a lot of us have just ignored social media and missed out on all the interesting hacks that have happened along the way. You've cleared up years of stuff in just a few posts, and it's much appreciated :)

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by vmception » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 9:08 PM UTC

wahnfrieden wrote: post #141

vmception wrote: post #132

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Buy the account and rebrand to similar content. Don't grow the account from scratch, let teenagers in eastern europe and malaysia do that. Try not to get scammed when buying the account. Anything you do from then on is to offset the decline in followers. De-risk and break even on doing promos for other people. (lets say you bought a $5k account for $50, do 5-10 promos for other people, done. Start with more capital a…

How do you source these accounts to buy?

Thats just for my patreon subscribers.

No I'm kidding, I don't have a patreon, but I don't want to give my favorite markets up.

Ebay has accounts and some rudimentary price discovery there.

You can also just message existing pages on IG. My primary procurement accounts are just anonymous blank accounts that just send out a direct message with an offer. Money talks.

Emailing is usually possible too.

The main thing you want is price discovery, understanding how things are priced or understanding value. Its some formula between followers and engagement. If I were to guess I'd say

(Followers/100) x (Engagement x 100 x 1.75)

Engagement is a percentage so it has to be by 100. Eh and the multiplier for engagement is probably nlogn. after 1, 2, and 3% engagement would have a large delta in prices between them, but 3+ wouldn't.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by afiori » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 9:23 PM UTC

ido wrote: post #118

koheripbal wrote: post #89

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If it works for him, that's his business. No one asked for your judgements.

Would you say the same thing if a spammer posted here saying how they managed to make money off of email spam?

Even in that context it would be a weird comment: "I worry about what kind of people would fall for such spam, probably stupid attracts stupid"

It is an insult-like judgment coming from moral highness, both of the posters and of the women mentioned.

As an example, in both cases a comment like "this is a disgusting toxic way to use the platform" would have been less of an unwarranted insult that still communicates strong feelings.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by goldenkey » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 10:06 PM UTC

lowtolerance wrote: post #137

goldenkey wrote: post #128

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This isn't the least bit true. Tinder and the like are filled with spamming "influencers" that are pretty much only using the platforms to funnel simps to their IG and other social accounts, in order to gain more followers. Modern day spam, essentially.

I don’t doubt that they exist, I’m saying that in no way do those accounts outweigh legitimate, non-spam accounts that stick out like a sore thing to anyone with a shred of common sense.

They do outweigh them, on Tinder. I've used Tinder in multiple cities and it has the same spammer problem as Craigslist now has.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by ido » Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 5:54 AM UTC

afiori wrote: post #144

ido wrote: post #118

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Would you say the same thing if a spammer posted here saying how they managed to make money off of email spam?

Even in that context it would be a weird comment: "I worry about what kind of people would fall for such spam, probably stupid attracts stupid" It is an insult-like judgment coming from moral highness, both of the posters and of the women mentioned. As an example, in both cases a comment like "this is a disgusting toxic way to use the platform" would have been less of an unwarranted insult that still communicates str…

Yes, I agree with that. I just found it odd that people jumped to defend the guy that clearly was doing something pretty unsavory, especially when the line of defense was "well it works for him" - spam and dark patterns also work, otherwise people wouldn't use them.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by sergeykish » Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 11:58 AM UTC

goblin89 wrote: post #121

sergeykish wrote: post #117

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Your profile would not be usual. I don't understand what's going on with gender speech. No matter how I want I can't give birth to baby. Not carry, not breastfeed. This results in different roles in hunter-gatherer society, optimized in genes throughout millennia. We should have same rights but we can't expect same results. We have different stats, we have different brains (hormones whatever). Even children. Boys com…

No need to apologize, we all tend to understand things in ways that reflect ourselves!

Look what I've done here. I've said "dumber" not "lower". You've said nothing. That's double standards.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by vmception » Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 2:27 PM UTC

ido wrote: post #146

afiori wrote: post #144

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Even in that context it would be a weird comment: "I worry about what kind of people would fall for such spam, probably stupid attracts stupid" It is an insult-like judgment coming from moral highness, both of the posters and of the women mentioned. As an example, in both cases a comment like "this is a disgusting toxic way to use the platform" would have been less of an unwarranted insult that still communicates str…

Yes, I agree with that. I just found it odd that people jumped to defend the guy that clearly was doing something pretty unsavory, especially when the line of defense was "well it works for him" - spam and dark patterns also work, otherwise people wouldn't use them.

whats unsavory about sending messages from a popular profile and people finding that attention intriguing and less likely to ignore?

not "earning" the popularity the way anyone imagined? every form of valuable popularity requires capital and external help. it has the same affect with the populous. sycophants with romantic interest are predictable.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by obiye » Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 6:36 PM UTC

vmception wrote: post #140

obiye wrote: post #139

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Yeah, I find sales and marketing to be distasteful in general, and casting human relationships into that mold turns something beautiful about life into a hollow commodity. I have strong desires for community, and personal meaning, so I am happy to have deeper relationships even if it means they are fewer in number. It also feels to me that the urge to pursue a large volume of experiences in this gamified way is an at…

It was an analogy about how benign it is and not exclusive to cisgender courtship. Things that make me attractive in one environment make me attractive in another environment as well, compared to putting on a hallow mask temporarily for women. Oddly enough, I don't mind their makeup. > It also feels to me that the urge to pursue a large volume of experiences in this gamified way is an attempt at finding validation wi…

Cool, glad it’s working out for you.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by ido » Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 7:48 PM UTC

vmception wrote: post #148

ido wrote: post #146

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Yes, I agree with that. I just found it odd that people jumped to defend the guy that clearly was doing something pretty unsavory, especially when the line of defense was "well it works for him" - spam and dark patterns also work, otherwise people wouldn't use them.

whats unsavory about sending messages from a popular profile and people finding that attention intriguing and less likely to ignore? not "earning" the popularity the way anyone imagined? every form of valuable popularity requires capital and external help. it has the same affect with the populous. sycophants with romantic interest are predictable.

It's dishonest. You know you're not selling what they think they are buying.