NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

Post by amcoastal » Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 11:18 AM UTC

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The cops that stay home because police are being held accountable for their brutality should stay home permanently -- without a job.

We need some kind of way to get rid of the bad crops within police departments. This is a world-wide problem. I believe the issue is (lack of) accountability. Police officers are not held accountable for their actions. Which is a problem if their actions are severe (e.g. murder, but also racism). However, the question is whether the reason you mention is a valid one. I believe a better one is that police officers sta…

Post by bobbylarrybobby » Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 11:57 AM UTC

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Generally speaking, the NYPD operates under the executive branch (the mayor) and the legislative branch (City Council) can declare whatever powers they want to oversee, but they do have to be explicitly declared first. The separation of powers in NYC/NYS is very messy so this doesn't surprise me.

Can the mayor make the police reveal things? Is the mayor elected by the population?

Post by waheoo » Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 3:49 PM UTC

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Contrary to what people love to say, the police dont work for the tax payer. They work for the tax collector.

No. “ Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: First, there will be those who are devoted to the goals of the organization. Examples are dedicated classroom teachers in an educational bureaucracy, many of the engineers and launch technicians and scientists at NASA, even some agricultural scientists and advisors in the former Soviet Union colle…

Post by catalogia » Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 4:44 PM UTC

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The majority of victims of police brutality (at least deaths by police, of course there are other forms of police brutality but killings by police is what the current conversation is about) are violent criminals. Of the ~1000 people killed by police in 2019 538 were armed with a gun, 159 with a knife, 60 with a vehicle, and 63 with another weapon. 41 were unarmed, 23 had a toy weapon, and 49 is unknown. [0] The major…

"They have a gun", the statement, is different from "they have a gun", the fact. There's no actual oversight to these reports - the closest we have is the Washington Post performing the intensive work of collecting reports from individual police departments, but they're unable to verify the reports. In other countries like England & Wales, when a police officer seriously injures or kills someone, there's a formal inv…

Post by downerending » Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 5:52 PM UTC

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In the last few weeks many cities have passed laws to bring more transparency to police brutality. This is a good step, but I am curious - how much are these laws enforceable? I was just reading that some Atlanta cops are not reporting to work - protest for the arrest of the cop who shot Rayshard Brooks. If that is the mentality, how much cooperation can we expect? Not talking about this particular NYC law, just in g…

Two thoughts. Fire the ones that refuse to comply. The unemployment rate is 15% right now. Second you have a law enforcement agency that is separate from the one with the problem enforce the rules. That could be a state police agency that polices the local police or a special investigative part of the government that ensures compliance.