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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by jhardy54 »

john_moscow wrote: post #503
hintymad wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this will probably be flagged or voted down, but at least please understand that I truly want to see people in the US get better and more equal. Here it goes: if the US wants to invest in local talent, the US had better invest heavily in education. And I'm not talking about an-iPad-per-kid kind of investment, but investment to hire great teachers, lots of them, to public schools to the point that tutoring scho…

This comment is the reason why we need to rethink our current culture of censorship and social media outrage. It explains a non-trivial logical connection, showing how something that could look unpopular from the surface, would pay off in the long run. Except you cannot make comments like this in public anymore. Because all it takes is an angry mob leader shouting "%USERNAME% is %CLICHE%ist" and that's it. Your emplo…

Explaining my downvote: I'm thoroughly annoyed at all of the versions of this comment on HN lately. It adds nothing to the discussion, and derails the conversation we were having to talk about some vague injustice where People These Days don't let you say Stuff Like This.

Can you point to something you've said that's resulted in the problem you've described?

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by BeetleB »

fredfoobar wrote: post #493
BeetleB wrote: post #476

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> It’s both obvious Can you please show me how it's obvious?

wait, YOU said that it's obvious your words: > I'm not referring to a deep secret. This is well documented. Just search the Internet for H1-B "prevailing wage" loophole and you'll find some. and in the next sentence you seem to imply that it is not obvious, again your words: > but it is quite nuanced and I don't remember the details

> wait, YOU said that it's obvious

Nowhere did I say it. Definitely not in this statement:

> I'm not referring to a deep secret. This is well documented. Just search the Internet for H1-B "prevailing wage" loophole and you'll find some.

I suggest that if you want to have a fruitful discussion, you not put words into people's mouths.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by m0zg »

pelasaco wrote: post #157
ixtli wrote: post #52

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Stopping workers coming in from one place isn’t about making sure Americans have jobs tho. It doesn’t magically change the cost of rent. It doesn’t magically educate the uneducated. Nor should it. This is about being able to report to middle class white people that ‘immigration stopped’.

I'm not sure if you are right: https://www.blackenterprise.com/will-limiting-h1b-visas-help... BTW 500k people on the H1B1 visa is a hell lot of "skilled people": https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/12/us/foreign-workers-visas-...

What's also hidden behind the numbers is that a lot (most?) of H1-Bs come from India and China, both of which have insanely long green card backglogs. Because changing jobs while on H1-B is a perilous affair (and employers know it), those folks end up basically in indentured servitude to their original H1-B sponsor employer, especially if they have families and/or property in the US.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by [deleted] »

newsclues wrote: post #265
Forgeties79 wrote: post #4

This has gotten very old very fast (beyond the obvious cruelty). I have several friends who keep watching their colleagues just have to up and leave over this and it’s causing a ton of issues for businesses that employ folks on work visas in general. It’s just disruptive to be disruptive/feed the base.

The system was abused, and now there are consequences.

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by jdsully »

GhostVII wrote: post #198
belltaco wrote: post #38

This is great news for Canada. Once the Covid situation resolves, if Trudeau doesn't give a lot of incentives for tech companies to build offices there Canada will miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Canada has already been benefiting from the recent restrictions on work visas and rejecting visas for no reason, for example by saying a forensic pathologist isn't a specialty occupation. https://www.npr.org/20…

I think most Canadians working in the US for tech companies would be on a TN visa, which is not being suspended according to the Globe and Mail [0]. Internships would be significantly affected though, since they go on a J1 visa so it could help the new grad pipeline for Canadian tech companies. [0] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-tr...

TN allows for no immigration intent and can be rescinded any time you cross at the whims of the border guard. Most US companies will transition a Canadian to an H1-B and then a green card as quickly as feasible.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

shuckles wrote: post #328
jjoonathan wrote: post #195

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If globalization and automation are so good at job creation, why did the American manufacturing workforce collapse? Economies are complex, counter-intuitive feedback machines, but the "supply and demand" model fits the last 40 years of data, while the "floats all boats" model really doesn't. "Lump of labor is a fallacy, honest!" sure sounds like the kind of opinion I could get a good penny for if I were an enterprisi…

If globalization and automation are so good at job creation, why did the American horse buggy workforce collapse?

Because it was outdated technology, that’s not even what you are talking about. You’re talking about a fundamental change in technology, not production methods (automation) or market/labor expansion (globalization). Frankly, I’m not sure what point you’re even trying to make.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by hysan »

rhexs wrote: post #464
hysan wrote: post #309

If you step out of the tech (STEM) bubble, you’ll see that this is going to have a lot of collateral damage. There are niche industries where H-1B is an actual necessity. I know that what people complain about, especially on a tech centric site like HN, is how it’s used in the development industry, but I hope that people remember that there is a world outside of tech that this negatively impacts.

And what are these niche industries?

Social work organizations that require multilingual speakers is one that I know of.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by jpmoral »

pascalxus wrote: post #467
winter_blue wrote: post #424

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Let's talk about immigrants that are being paid well, for a moment -- since Trump is seeking ban those people as well. (Also since I myself am one such immigrant, and I know several immigrants who were being paid extremely well, whose H-1B cases were denied by the US government under the guise of software engineering not being a "specialty occupation"[1]). A friend of mine last year got a job as a L5 at Google, for a…

A google job is like the top 1-3%. The vast majority of people don't make anywhere near that much. second, it's not about hatred for immigrants. It's just about jobs and housing. And, there's simply not enough of those to go around. I mean, sure we could have more immigrants. But, make no mistake, it will reduce the amount high end jobs available and reduce the housing supply even more. And, actually, most blue state…

This doesn't address GPs question about why, if local talent is plentiful, companies are willing to spend a lot of money and jump through several hoops to pay top dollar to immigrants when they could pay the same to a local and not have to spend extra money and effort.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by downerending »

noncoml wrote: post #445
downerending wrote: post #437

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I wasn't there, but this sounds more like cluelessness than anything else. I could imagine making small talk like this to keep someone's mind off of their pain or anxieties. Did it really seem like the gal or guy was hating on you?

I get asked where I am from all the time, because of my strange accent. However I've never before been asked about what visa I came in on. The way he talked about the Visas, gave me the impression of someone who has been conditioned to believe that "those Visas" are evil. Or maybe I completely misread it, and he was just trying to make conversation as you said, to calm me down. But choosing the Visa subject seemed qu…

So again, I wasn't there. I will say, having grown up in the sticks, I love hearing the accents of foreign people and sometimes ask them about theirs. I know they might take it wrong, but it's hard to resist doing so.

And indeed, when I see someone in pain or anxiety, I'm often tempted to just make small talk on any subject I can think of, to distract them. I usually don't, to avoid offense. But I think they'd suffer less if I did, no matter how stupid my words.

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