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NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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There is something even MORE important to be released and that is the police training manuals and materials which the NYPD have been hiding from FOIL requests for over a decade now. To all New Yorkers: You are currently NOT ENTITLED to see the methods and techniques taught at the NYPD academy. Requests are being denied on these grounds: "Deniable records include records or portions thereof that: (e) are compiled for…

Hmm I'm not an expert but I just saw a project on HN the other day that listed the policies and procedures for a bunch of PDs?

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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post #11

There is something even MORE important to be released and that is the police training manuals and materials which the NYPD have been hiding from FOIL requests for over a decade now. To all New Yorkers: You are currently NOT ENTITLED to see the methods and techniques taught at the NYPD academy. Requests are being denied on these grounds: "Deniable records include records or portions thereof that: (e) are compiled for…

Hmm I'm not an expert but I just saw a project on HN the other day that listed the policies and procedures for a bunch of PDs?

I’m curious about this, I tried searching but HN search isn’t great. Any chance of a link?

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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Does this include Google's Sidewalk / CityBridge / LinkNYC kiosks (multiple sensors and cameras) partnership with NYC?

https://gizmodo.com/nycs-free-wifi-service-is-turning-into-a...

https://cryptome.org/2016/06/linknyc-spy-kiosks-installation...

https://theintercept.com/2020/05/08/andrew-cuomo-eric-schmid...

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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post #7

Or you could just not give them millions upon millions of dollars to buy all this military crap in the first place.

You can do ALPR at a decent level with $100 of hardware. The cost of doing surveillance isn't necessarily going to be a lot

Plus a good amount of technical know-how and ops work, which is only free if you're a hobbyist building a proof of concept. If you're the actual NYPD and you want it to work accurately and reliably in prod, you need budget for either in-house tech talent or a company that will do it for you.

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm I'm not an expert but I just saw a project on HN the other day that listed the policies and procedures for a bunch of PDs?

I’m curious about this, I tried searching but HN search isn’t great. Any chance of a link?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23546695

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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There is something even MORE important to be released and that is the police training manuals and materials which the NYPD have been hiding from FOIL requests for over a decade now. To all New Yorkers: You are currently NOT ENTITLED to see the methods and techniques taught at the NYPD academy. Requests are being denied on these grounds: "Deniable records include records or portions thereof that: (e) are compiled for…

Very likely they're using military psychological training. The rules of engagement they adopt against citizens don't seem that different from those used by soldiers in enemy territory. The complete lack of empathy towards human life reminds of the depersonalizing of the enemy that helps soldiers remain efficient and detached while they slaughter their "targets". For that matter, even more important than the manuals are the speeches by their instructors; I would like to see the videos and what indoctrination techniques they use during training. A cop can't turn himself into 9/10 of a psychopath just by reading books. And of course I would push for mandatory drugs and steroids abuse tests for all of them.

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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post #3

Doesn't all surveillance require a warrant?

For it to be admissible in court. Most people can’t afford an attorney and end up taking a plea.

Actually, there's a "good faith" (aka. "ignorance of the law") exception for cops. So even a lawyer might not be able to save you.

https://www.justia.com/criminal/procedure/search-and-seizure...

>A mistake of law by a police officer sometimes can trigger the exception. If an officer takes steps based on the existing interpretation of the law, but a court later rules that the law should be interpreted differently, they may be found to have acted in good faith.

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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Am I misunderstanding something here or does this imply that up until now the city of NYC did not have full access and transparency concerning the capacities of the NYPD?

How is this even a thing? I don't know much about the US political system but how is it that the police is not entirely subjected to civic government and why does a law need to be passed to control what the NYPD does?

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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There is something even MORE important to be released and that is the police training manuals and materials which the NYPD have been hiding from FOIL requests for over a decade now. To all New Yorkers: You are currently NOT ENTITLED to see the methods and techniques taught at the NYPD academy. Requests are being denied on these grounds: "Deniable records include records or portions thereof that: (e) are compiled for…

Very likely they're using military psychological training. The rules of engagement they adopt against citizens don't seem that different from those used by soldiers in enemy territory. The complete lack of empathy towards human life reminds of the depersonalizing of the enemy that helps soldiers remain efficient and detached while they slaughter their "targets". For that matter, even more important than the manuals a…

Virtually all American police departments are using at least some military psychology techniques. For instance the use of human silhouette targets at the gun range.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Killing#The_problem_of_non-...

Examples of targets being marketed to law enforcement:

http://www.americantargetcompany.com/law_enforcement_targets...

https://www.amazon.com/law-enforcement-target/s?k=law+enforc...

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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There is something even MORE important to be released and that is the police training manuals and materials which the NYPD have been hiding from FOIL requests for over a decade now. To all New Yorkers: You are currently NOT ENTITLED to see the methods and techniques taught at the NYPD academy. Requests are being denied on these grounds: "Deniable records include records or portions thereof that: (e) are compiled for…

Very likely they're using military psychological training. The rules of engagement they adopt against citizens don't seem that different from those used by soldiers in enemy territory. The complete lack of empathy towards human life reminds of the depersonalizing of the enemy that helps soldiers remain efficient and detached while they slaughter their "targets". For that matter, even more important than the manuals a…

This post is at odds with the fact that the military teaches stricter rules of engagement than police forces. There may be a culture problem in the force but this post is hysteria.

Police deal with violent criminals who have no regard for police life; in fact often they are explicitly against police. They're going to learn techniques appropriate for dealing with such people. Some of those techniques will be violent and resemble "military" tactics, but that's only because the military also deals with violent adversaries.

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