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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by vsskanth »

tracer4201 wrote: post #176
fredfoobar wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry to break it to you, if your company isn't paying prevailing wages, they're doing something illegal. They need to be shut-down, not the whole fucking program.

There’s nothing illegal going on here. I posted earlier that I was at an oil and gas company in Houston, a Fortune 10 company at the time. We had IT contractors from Larsen and Toubro. As an example, one guy who reported to me was paid < $20 an hour after L&TI and another contracting company in the middle took their cut. He wasn’t thrilled with that situation but his other option was to quit and go back to India. The…

The final wage that shows up in the W2 still needs to be above the prevailing wage for that position. You cannot get an H1B approved without it.

It is simply illegal otherwise.

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Post by pstrateman »

samfisher83 wrote: post #106
noobermin wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this true? The argument I've seen is that H1B's are liked by SV because they can be paid less.

https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Facebook+Inc&job=&city=&ye... This doesn't include stock so maybe double that number for TC.

On the other hand.

https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=STRATEGIC+STAFFING+IT+INC&...

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Post by KingTen »

WanderPanda wrote: post #194
KingTen wrote: post #173

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Oh you’re one of those open borders people. It’s idealistic but unfeasible now. Countries need to take care of their own people first and foremost.

This the opposite of what I believe has made the us great. Look at all the Elon Musks. High skilled immigration can never harm your country. It can give competition to some people who feel entitled to their high salary, though.

I def agree that highly skilled immigrants are important to America. I disagree wholeheartedly with the concept of open borders though. It’s too idealistic and in practice would cripple America.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by BeetleB »

tracer4201 wrote: post #176
fredfoobar wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry to break it to you, if your company isn't paying prevailing wages, they're doing something illegal. They need to be shut-down, not the whole fucking program.

There’s nothing illegal going on here. I posted earlier that I was at an oil and gas company in Houston, a Fortune 10 company at the time. We had IT contractors from Larsen and Toubro. As an example, one guy who reported to me was paid < $20 an hour after L&TI and another contracting company in the middle took their cut. He wasn’t thrilled with that situation but his other option was to quit and go back to India. The…

Paying H1-B less than prevailing wage is illegal/fraudulent. However, there are many legal tricks to get around it.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by MangoCoffee »

i have no dog in this fight but the comments in this thread...

the amount of layoffs and unemployment since covid 19. this move is not to please you. it is to please the American people. only employers will care. the middle/working class American won't care (this is the biggest voting bloc that Trump needs)

this is a persuasion for Nov.

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Post by retortio »

pmoriarty wrote: post #167
retortio wrote: post #59

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers. What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do t…

"What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do the jobs H1-B workers currently do." Who's this "our people" you're talking about? As a US citizen, I consider every person in the world as part of my people, and I don't begrudge any individual coming and working or training in the US. The more people,…

Pretend you're a politician and go tell some poor US kids or young professionals that.

Ideally we are all together in the human family, but practically a Democratic country's citizens are the ones who set policy with their votes. A country's policies therefore will tend to align with what's best for its people.

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Post by OzzyB »

runawaybottle wrote: post #203
vsskanth wrote: post #172

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Reposting my response from a different thread: Every time you file an H1B Visa, you pay something called a ACWIA Fee (“American Competitiveness and Workforce Improvement Act of 1998”). For employers who have between 1-25 full-time workers, the American Competitiveness and Workforce Improvement Act fee is $750. For employers with 26 or more full-time employees, the fee is $1,500. [1] This fee was established to fund t…

Free college I guess. Oh wait... That’s a very interesting thing, I had no idea. So a sensible thing to do would be to increase that fee substantially and have it go straight to subsidizing degree programs that aren’t creating enough home grown talent. In other words, the company should expect to pay close to market rate per H1B plus the fee. We remove the incentives to abuse the program for cost reduction, and strai…

That's a good idea, but alas I fear such a proposal would be deemed too... umm nationalistic or something... better to have local talent pay through the nose for their qualifications so that they can then compete on the global market with folks that don't have such debt.

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Post by saradhi »

samfisher83 wrote: post #66
retortio wrote: post #59

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers. What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do t…

You can look at the data, SV companies aren't paying H1B people low wages. Unless you think 200-300k is low wages.

Your presumption is either (if you not a h1 candidate) far away from the fact or don't want to accept the truth.

You are looking at the top 100 companies and their full-time employees but not at the 1000s of vendor-employer ponzi scheme/scams that happen every day in the form of contractors who apply with fake resumes, take proxy interviews and outsource the assigned work to someone in India. Doesn't stop there, the dependents of those do a unlicensed food selling, baby sitting, work in local stores, what not. The hard to digest fact is the student who comes on F1 visa, succumbs to the pressure of 90 days period to get into a job to maintain the visa status joins a consultancy company, which starts the game. These consultancies market the candidate with high experience fake resume, arranges proxy candidate to take interviews, even Falsify the requirement of GC/citizenship candidate requirement - all these to charge the client a 100$/hr and pay a mere 40$/hr to the candidate through their sister companies acting as layers. A honest try from USCIS to do a quick scan in containing these will drop at least 50% of H1B lottery applications, void 30% of the consulting company licenses and also help the right talent to get an opportunity. If you are a gov/USCIS rep, drop me an email I'll be more than happy to provide more details, and possible ways of catching the wrong ones.

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Post by hckr_news »

jusonchan81 wrote: post #137
dx87 wrote: post #58

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If H-1B visas were being used how they were intended, they would be a good thing, but we often see them used as a way to get cheap labor, or even directly replace American workers. The company I work at has H-1B junior web developers, hardly "very niche, hard to fill" positions that they can't find any qualified Americans to do.

I guess this is indeed an issue. I’m a manager and I am trying to hire. 100% I’d rather find a person who can start in a couple of weeks than several months for a candidate who needs immigration. But there are rarely any local applicants and even when there are they don’t make in the interview. We pay in excess of 300k for all roles so it’s not like we are trying to find cheap talent.

Maybe your recruiting to get interviewers into your pipeline and the interview process just isn't that good. Or perhaps nobody wants to work at your company. Bad management? Bad glassdoor reviews? Don't engage with the local tech scene?

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Post by theflork »

tomohawk wrote: post #56
Forgeties79 wrote: post #4

This has gotten very old very fast (beyond the obvious cruelty). I have several friends who keep watching their colleagues just have to up and leave over this and it’s causing a ton of issues for businesses that employ folks on work visas in general. It’s just disruptive to be disruptive/feed the base.

Instead of H1B, we should be issuing green cards and limiting the amount of leverage that companies have over workers. Eliminate H1B and expand green cards for skilled people who want to live here.

That’s honestly a great market based idea and more in spirit of what h1-b is meant to do.
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