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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by conanbatt »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #72
retortio wrote: post #59

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers. What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do t…

I was very surprised to learn 70% of Apple engineers are H1B hires - but i don’t know if this is the case currently. Agree that domestic training should be invested. Edit: sorry, clarified Apple not SV as a whole - and it was a Vice Or Vox article, so I should probably know better.

I recommend the opposite: educating is very expensive in the US. When a foreigner comes to the US, the US gets the value of that education for free.

Who doesn't like free things?

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Post by infamouscow »

joelbluminator wrote: post #39
tathougies wrote: post #23

Most countries have suspended immigration at this point havent they? Hard to argue against such a thing amid covid.

I don't know that that's true, any source for that? If countries are opening up for tourists (!) I don't see why not for immigration.

Name one country that has opened for tourists or has recently (as in the last week or two) said they will open for tourists.

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Post by gorbachev15 »

pmoriarty wrote: post #167
retortio wrote: post #59

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers. What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do t…

"What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do the jobs H1-B workers currently do." Who's this "our people" you're talking about? As a US citizen, I consider every person in the world as part of my people, and I don't begrudge any individual coming and working or training in the US. The more people,…

But we're not talking about your decision or his, we're talking about the decision made by the government whose literal job description is to make rules for this country alone!

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Post by armada651 »

ckaygusu wrote: post #168
armada651 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need a Visa one way or the other to stay in the US as an alien. Besides even if you weren't kicked out, how are you going to make a living without a work authorization? Overstaying your Visa is illegal. I know ICE isn't going to knock on your door right away, but it's going to negatively affect future Visa applications (visiting also requires a Visa).

No, you do not need a visa to STAY in the country. Legal status and having a visa in your passport is not tied together. Your legal status is shown in your I-94. You can get into the country in a status, and adjust to another, without having a visa to reflect the new status. If you leave the country and want to get back in, however, you need to have the right visa. Again, a visa is only required to have a CBP officer…

Your I-94 still has an expiration date, if you can't renew your Visa then your I-94 will expire eventually. Once the I-94 expires your stay is illegal. Also you're still overstaying your Visa, which is going to affect your future applications.

Also how would you transition to another visa when applications are suspended? You'll have to live in the United States without a job in the hopes the suspension is lifted before your I-94 expires.

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Post by paulgb »

GhostVII wrote: post #198
belltaco wrote: post #38

This is great news for Canada. Once the Covid situation resolves, if Trudeau doesn't give a lot of incentives for tech companies to build offices there Canada will miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Canada has already been benefiting from the recent restrictions on work visas and rejecting visas for no reason, for example by saying a forensic pathologist isn't a specialty occupation. https://www.npr.org/20…

I think most Canadians working in the US for tech companies would be on a TN visa, which is not being suspended according to the Globe and Mail [0]. Internships would be significantly affected though, since they go on a J1 visa so it could help the new grad pipeline for Canadian tech companies. [0] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-tr...

I think the implication of OP is not that fewer Canadians would be in the US (though I'd point out that a lot of us Canadians are on H-1Bs too), but that immigrants from other countries could go to Canada and work from a satellite office in the same time zone.

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Post by xtreme »

retortio wrote: post #59

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers. What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do t…

> It's a win-win.

Except for the individuals. US educated students who want to remain in the US, work, and raise a family are now basically being told to go back. Or people who prefer the US for non-monetary reasons (crazy thought, I know).

But what I find interesting is that programs like the diversity visa (DV) lottery with even more relaxed requirements or even illegal immigration don't get scrutinized as much as H1-B. I wonder if it's because H1-B workers primarily compete for well-paying white collar jobs while most DV winners and illegal immigrants go for blue-collar jobs.

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Post by tallon »

pmoriarty wrote: post #167
retortio wrote: post #59

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers. What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do t…

"What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do the jobs H1-B workers currently do." Who's this "our people" you're talking about? As a US citizen, I consider every person in the world as part of my people, and I don't begrudge any individual coming and working or training in the US. The more people,…

You can take the high approach and give up your job for someone else, then. Are you going to welcome strangers into your family and your home as well? Resources are limited, that is a fact. If you've never experienced that, consider yourself very lucky and privileged, and work to deserve that good fortune and privilege.

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Post by KingTen »

conanbatt wrote: post #205
hcurtiss wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All else being equal, I think most people prioritize their own country and countrymen over others', and would not sacrifice their own countrymen to benefit others'. You may not share this view, but I think most people do. Most people consider themselves a part of a national team, and they feel some loyalty to their teammates.

That doesn't explain having imports of any kind.

Free trade reduces costs for people. I’d agree that things have gotten more complicated than that though in the transition to a service based economy.

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Post by hourislate »

samfisher83 wrote: post #66
retortio wrote: post #59

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers. What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do t…

You can look at the data, SV companies aren't paying H1B people low wages. Unless you think 200-300k is low wages.

SV isn't the only place you find H1B's. Everyone from Toyota, AA, Sabre, etc in the DFW area has hired what seems like 1000's. There is hardly anyone but H1B's at Toyota in Plano from what I understand. I have heard some companies are laying of permanent staff and keeping H1B's because they're less expensive.

Personal experience in my part of the world seems to suggest that it is cost. Permanent employees are expensive and H1B's are so terrified of losing employment they are willing to work around the clock and for less.

I would like to see the whole program gone. I don't believe it is being used as it was intended.

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