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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by blntechie » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 7:09 PM UTC

tinyhouse wrote: post #111

blntechie wrote: post #48

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No official details yet but apparently 1) all issue of new visas will be delayed 2) current visa holders won’t be allowed at port of entry So it doesn’t affect current visa holders in the country unless they travel outside the country and have to enter back. Need to see what are the broad exceptions.

Not letting people in status travel and come back is crazy. It just shows the lack of common sense of the US government. It's the same lack of common sense of the US police and why it's such a mess (besides the systematic racism). Those people wouldn't leave the country as a result - all it means is that you prevent them from visiting their family, sometimes even in emergency situations. It has nothing to do with job…

There is a chance that common sense prevails and they probably will allow some exceptions for those in status. I’m just saying from what I read from immigration news sites and forums so far. We will know soon enough or they might leave it intentionally vague too.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by Element_ » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 7:09 PM UTC

belltaco wrote: post #38

This is great news for Canada. Once the Covid situation resolves, if Trudeau doesn't give a lot of incentives for tech companies to build offices there Canada will miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Canada has already been benefiting from the recent restrictions on work visas and rejecting visas for no reason, for example by saying a forensic pathologist isn't a specialty occupation. https://www.npr.org/20…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_plant_economy

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by noobermin » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 7:09 PM UTC

retortio wrote: post #107

samfisher83 wrote: post #66

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You can look at the data, SV companies aren't paying H1B people low wages. Unless you think 200-300k is low wages.

One thing to remember is that in many cases H1-B workers are brought over by sponsoring companies which take a huge cut (I know cases of 40% or more) out of their salaries for the service of securing them the Visa. So those salaries might appear to be a certain number but the workers themselves may actually receive significantly less while some rent seeking company stashes the differences. I know for a fact that in m…

If some of your best friends are H1-B workers wouldn't the right answer be changing the regulations such that companies must pay market rate (as in for the US labor market, not internationally) for H1-B employees here?

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by gorbachev15 » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 7:09 PM UTC

ChristianBundy wrote: post #90

gorbachev15 wrote: post #53

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As a nationalist, I think it would be better for those other countries to keep their skilled workers and so benefit. I think every nation has a right to its own existence, space, and policies. And they also get to decide what's right for them 'as a people'. Always optimizing for performance of 'the economy' is not in the best interest of the actual citizens of this country.

Why are you a nationalist?

I think each nation[0] should be entitled to make decisions for themselves and have a right to run their state the way they see fit. I wouldn't presume to move to, say, Japan and then start telling them that they're doing things wrong.

[0]https://www.etymonline.com/word/nation

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by roskilli » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 7:10 PM UTC

noobermin wrote: post #84

samfisher83 wrote: post #66

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You can look at the data, SV companies aren't paying H1B people low wages. Unless you think 200-300k is low wages.

Is this true? The argument I've seen is that H1B's are liked by SV because they can be paid less.

There are plenty of >200k H1B workers in SV, and I do believe these engineers and specialists will wonder how they can do their work elsewhere if they can't reasonably plan a few years into the future:

https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=netflix&year=2020

https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=apple&year=2020

https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=linkedin&year=2020

https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=uber&year=2020

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by buildbot » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 7:10 PM UTC

noncoml wrote: post #79

Xenophobia is a bitch. A few years ago I experienced an atrial fibrillation while exercising, so I called an ambulance, as I didn't know what was happening to me and thought that that was the end. Once in the ambulance the paramedic started asking me where I am from and if I came in on one of "those visas". I was afraid I was about to die, and this fucker was being xenophobic.

Hey that’s awful, I’m sorry you experienced that.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by jusonchan81 » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 7:10 PM UTC

dx87 wrote: post #58

awillen wrote: post #22

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It's just silly... even if you're a nationalist, isn't the prospect of bringing over talented people from foreign countries to work in America and help our companies profit plus deprive their home countries of their skills a really, really good thing?

If H-1B visas were being used how they were intended, they would be a good thing, but we often see them used as a way to get cheap labor, or even directly replace American workers. The company I work at has H-1B junior web developers, hardly "very niche, hard to fill" positions that they can't find any qualified Americans to do.

I guess this is indeed an issue. I’m a manager and I am trying to hire. 100% I’d rather find a person who can start in a couple of weeks than several months for a candidate who needs immigration. But there are rarely any local applicants and even when there are they don’t make in the interview. We pay in excess of 300k for all roles so it’s not like we are trying to find cheap talent.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by monadic2 » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 7:11 PM UTC

samfisher83 wrote: post #80

belltaco wrote: post #38

This is great news for Canada. Once the Covid situation resolves, if Trudeau doesn't give a lot of incentives for tech companies to build offices there Canada will miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Canada has already been benefiting from the recent restrictions on work visas and rejecting visas for no reason, for example by saying a forensic pathologist isn't a specialty occupation. https://www.npr.org/20…

People in Canada aren't making US salaries. Most people want to go to the US for the money.

Yea but you get a government

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by samfisher83 » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 7:11 PM UTC

retortio wrote: post #107

samfisher83 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can look at the data, SV companies aren't paying H1B people low wages. Unless you think 200-300k is low wages.

One thing to remember is that in many cases H1-B workers are brought over by sponsoring companies which take a huge cut (I know cases of 40% or more) out of their salaries for the service of securing them the Visa. So those salaries might appear to be a certain number but the workers themselves may actually receive significantly less while some rent seeking company stashes the differences. I know for a fact that in m…

300k would put you close to the 99% in California. So it is not relatively low.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by untog » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 7:11 PM UTC

nathanvanfleet wrote: post #81

tinyhouse wrote: post #5

Not clear from the article what this means. Would it impact existing visa holders already in the US? What about those who got an H-1B in this year's lottery? Is their visa canceled or postponed to a later date not known yet? (normally for a given year October is the earliest people can start working on H-1B)

I guess you didn't read it? It says that it shouldn't affect existing holders.

I guess you didn't read close enough? It says that it is "not expected to immediately affect anyone already in the United States". If that means existing visa holders currently outside of the US won't be allowed to return, or that those inside the country can't leave then that's a huge effect on their lives.