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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by derptacos »

dpbriggs wrote: post #70
belltaco wrote: post #38

This is great news for Canada. Once the Covid situation resolves, if Trudeau doesn't give a lot of incentives for tech companies to build offices there Canada will miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Canada has already been benefiting from the recent restrictions on work visas and rejecting visas for no reason, for example by saying a forensic pathologist isn't a specialty occupation. https://www.npr.org/20…

Wouldn't TN visas be a workaround?

How does the TN circumvent in this situation legally ?

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by ixtli »

raverbashing wrote: post #49
zomglings wrote: post #24

I wonder if they can make an exemption for the tech industry. Feels like this is just going to accelerate the moves we've seen in the Bay Area towards companies going fully remote. If this happens, the administration could see a lot of that money just leave the country altogether.

Tech is what? 90% of H1-Bs? No way they're going to make an exception for that

The point is, in part, to attack tech.

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Post by samfisher83 »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #13
saltedonion wrote: post #3

This and eroding section 230. I wonder if tech companies are going to fire back at trump.

If Facebook/twitter/google wanted to play with fire they could use their platformS to basically vanquish the GOP. Those three companies control a significant amount of what people see online.

Trump won the election largely by leveraging Twitter and Facebook.

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Post by joelbluminator »

belltaco wrote: post #38

This is great news for Canada. Once the Covid situation resolves, if Trudeau doesn't give a lot of incentives for tech companies to build offices there Canada will miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Canada has already been benefiting from the recent restrictions on work visas and rejecting visas for no reason, for example by saying a forensic pathologist isn't a specialty occupation. https://www.npr.org/20…

I hope it does. But I wonder if a very bad economic crisis (that some say started in 2008 and we never truly recovered from) may cause a similar wave of xenophobia and civil unrest in Canada as we now see happening in the U.S. I know Canada is a very different country than the U.S and much less prone to massive civil unrest, but all and all it's not that much different than countries like UK, Germany, France etc - who are experiencing their own brand of populism and growing xenophobia now.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by jeremiahhs »

retortio wrote: post #59

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers. What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do t…

Yes. I've seen first hand abuse of the visas to import cheap labor in academia to avoid paying citizen-level wages.

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Post by curuinor »

OzzyB wrote: post #85
belltaco wrote: post #38

This is great news for Canada. Once the Covid situation resolves, if Trudeau doesn't give a lot of incentives for tech companies to build offices there Canada will miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Canada has already been benefiting from the recent restrictions on work visas and rejecting visas for no reason, for example by saying a forensic pathologist isn't a specialty occupation. https://www.npr.org/20…

Can you take some of the Bay Area homeless as well, or is it only acceptable to place economic externalities Stateside?

Parent commenter's never been to the skid row of Vancouver. Land prices is the fucked thing, and they're plenty fucked in Canada, too.

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Post by carapace »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #72
retortio wrote: post #59

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers. What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do t…

I was very surprised to learn 70% of Apple engineers are H1B hires - but i don’t know if this is the case currently. Agree that domestic training should be invested. Edit: sorry, clarified Apple not SV as a whole - and it was a Vice Or Vox article, so I should probably know better.

70%? Do you have a citation for that? (I'm not pro/con just want to nail down the number.)

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Post by [deleted] »

retortio wrote: post #59

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers. What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do t…

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by rantwasp »

noobermin wrote: post #84
samfisher83 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can look at the data, SV companies aren't paying H1B people low wages. Unless you think 200-300k is low wages.

Is this true? The argument I've seen is that H1B's are liked by SV because they can be paid less.

technically it’s illegal to pay H1B workers less than what you pay your workers.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by fredfoobar »

m0zg wrote: post #46

As a former H1-B: makes sense. H1-B is abused a lot, and importing new entry-level workers when unemployment is at record highs after COVID makes zero sense. Although I'm sure Hawaiian judge will disagree.

Are you telling me that the 85000 jobs this saves will go to the millions of unemployed (low skilled) workers who will learn learn to code and manage the codebase at some company?

Huh, I hadn't thought of that. Maybe they'll hire 3 or 4 of the unemployed folks to replace each h1b so that they can "group code", it might work.

Also, LOVE your logical reasoning that went from "H1-B is abused a lot" => "Ban it".

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