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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by neilparikh »

theonemind wrote: post #37
iamacyborg wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, we can expect restaurant staff to soon be working tech jobs.

The average H1B doesn't seem to have a PhD or get more than $100,000/yr (indicating that they can't do something that rare or valuable that you likely can't find in the American labor pool). It seems pretty clear to me that the program gets abused and Americans could fill most of those jobs. It does, of course, also fulfill its intended purpose of supplying skilled talent when/where Americans can't.

> get more than $100,000/yr

If this is objection, why not just raise the minimum salary requirements to 100k instead of banning it? Most Silicon Valley companies would easily meet it.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by oneplane »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #27
iamacyborg wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, we can expect restaurant staff to soon be working tech jobs.

College graduate unemployment rate is over 8%, up from 2% a few months ago. There are a lot of skilled, educated, unemployed workers right now. I wouldn’t kick out H-1Bs, but no reason take in new ones right now. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CGRA2534

You do know that H-1B's are already only in because there was no American that could do it, right?

Plenty of education and skill in the USA that doesn't have a fitting job (right now) to put that to use.

Say there are 100000 MBA's but you need someone who knows how to run a kubernetes cluster with a custom syscall shim for a modified kernel and there is someone in Norway who knows how to do that. Even combining all those college graduates combined with all their business education wouldn't be useful for such a role, but that Norwegian person would be. But you still want to stop H-1B?

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by blntechie »

tinyhouse wrote: post #21
bradleyjg wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It hasn’t been issued yet, so no way to know for sure but the rumor is that no one will be able to enter (including re-enter) if they fall under the executive order but those in the country in status will not be immediately impacted.

My educated guess is that the majority of this year's H-1B are already in the US. I wonder what it would mean for them.

H-1B new visa entry cycle starts October 1 every year.

So it most likely prevents every approved visa holder for this year cycle.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by tibbydudeza »

I think it is a very good idea ... poaching of the best and brightest talent from less developed countries who invested in the education of these people is a form of robbery.

If you need them , then let them work remotely and pay them fair wages as they would have received in the US and let them contribute their tax to their own country.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by treis »

awillen wrote: post #22
Forgeties79 wrote: post #4

This has gotten very old very fast (beyond the obvious cruelty). I have several friends who keep watching their colleagues just have to up and leave over this and it’s causing a ton of issues for businesses that employ folks on work visas in general. It’s just disruptive to be disruptive/feed the base.

It's just silly... even if you're a nationalist, isn't the prospect of bringing over talented people from foreign countries to work in America and help our companies profit plus deprive their home countries of their skills a really, really good thing?

If that's what we were doing then it would be a good thing. But what companies are mostly doing is bringing over average people so that they can pay them less than Americans.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by samfisher83 »

retortio wrote: post #59

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers. What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do t…

You can look at the data, SV companies aren't paying H1B people low wages. Unless you think 200-300k is low wages.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by theonemind »

neilparikh wrote: post #61
theonemind wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The average H1B doesn't seem to have a PhD or get more than $100,000/yr (indicating that they can't do something that rare or valuable that you likely can't find in the American labor pool). It seems pretty clear to me that the program gets abused and Americans could fill most of those jobs. It does, of course, also fulfill its intended purpose of supplying skilled talent when/where Americans can't.

> get more than $100,000/yr If this is objection, why not just raise the minimum salary requirements to 100k instead of banning it? Most Silicon Valley companies would easily meet it.

I would support that. The program is supposed to allow for filling positions unfillable in the American labor market with specialized skills, not as a way to undercut American salaries.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by cheez »

belltaco wrote: post #38

This is great news for Canada. Once the Covid situation resolves, if Trudeau doesn't give a lot of incentives for tech companies to build offices there Canada will miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Canada has already been benefiting from the recent restrictions on work visas and rejecting visas for no reason, for example by saying a forensic pathologist isn't a specialty occupation. https://www.npr.org/20…

Not happening.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by alexandercrohde »

dx87 wrote: post #58
awillen wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just silly... even if you're a nationalist, isn't the prospect of bringing over talented people from foreign countries to work in America and help our companies profit plus deprive their home countries of their skills a really, really good thing?

If H-1B visas were being used how they were intended, they would be a good thing, but we often see them used as a way to get cheap labor, or even directly replace American workers. The company I work at has H-1B junior web developers, hardly "very niche, hard to fill" positions that they can't find any qualified Americans to do.

For a while I wasn't sure if this was just some "talking point." Then one day, on a hiking meetup, I met a guy who was ranting about his job that was to write "oddly hyper-specific job descriptions that might seem to make no sense" to bring in cheaper h1b candidates.

So yeah, it's a problem.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by dpbriggs »

belltaco wrote: post #38

This is great news for Canada. Once the Covid situation resolves, if Trudeau doesn't give a lot of incentives for tech companies to build offices there Canada will miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Canada has already been benefiting from the recent restrictions on work visas and rejecting visas for no reason, for example by saying a forensic pathologist isn't a specialty occupation. https://www.npr.org/20…

Wouldn't TN visas be a workaround?
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