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Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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How is the UN Security Council going to do anything when China is one of its charter members? They can veto anything. Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vetoed_United_Nations_...

By recognizing Taiwan as the defacto China

Sure. That will simply have no effect on their power and might justify a war on Taiwan.

Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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Not just cyber attack, Australia is also under economic attack [1] for the same reason. And China just suddenly decided to sentence an Australian to death (same move they made against Canada), after five years of sitting on the case [2]. It's all about intimidation and leverage. China will press until Australia capitulates. Fortunately the Australians have backbone. As a superpower capable of standing off with China,…

And instead our commander in chief prefers to insult allies old and new on Twitter

Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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How is the UN Security Council going to do anything when China is one of its charter members? They can veto anything. Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vetoed_United_Nations_...

Not to mention hacking attribution is extremely difficult. Read up on the “evidence” used to attribute the DNC hack. It’s the kind of stuff that wouldn’t pass the smell test with security engineers here.

It's funny you say that, because I'm a security engineer and I talked to loads of other security engineers who didn't question it. People at the top of the field. It looked bogus as hell at the time, but you couldn't easily say so.

Hackers are as susceptible to partisan politics as anyone else. At least we now have the benefit of the CrowdStrike President's declassified testimony.

Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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I am pretty sure that nations with the resources are pretty much doing some stealth cyber attack to nations they consider a threat - whether by economic or defence policies.

Likely the scale of the attack happening is something that may have surprised the victim nation that they are calling out the attacks in the hope that it would at least calm down the intruder or even have the government intervene.

On a side note, reading the article in a mobile device was a big PITA. Lots of ads and unnecessary information included. And they had the temerity to tell me that I am using n/3 free articles. I think I would pass from subscribing if on the limited free version and the reading experience was just worst.

Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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Should the international laws be amended to consider state-led cyber attacks an act of war in additional to traditional aggression? Seems like UN Security Council should deal with these matters.

Just cut the undersea cables from China, there has to be a time when the world says enough is enough

Surely there are overland connections out of China?

Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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I don't quite follow. Would you please elucidate?

Taiwan and Mainland China both claim to be true China. Taiwan used to be on UN security council till it was ousted and replaced by PRC: http://www.ipsnews.net/2019/04/taiwan-still-permanent-member... . We just have to replace them again.

I'm all for it, but it's beyond unlikely.

Even a large number of people in Taiwan today do not want to be associated with the RoC. There is a growing sentiment to express a distinctly Taiwanese identity.

Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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Not just cyber attack, Australia is also under economic attack [1] for the same reason. And China just suddenly decided to sentence an Australian to death (same move they made against Canada), after five years of sitting on the case [2]. It's all about intimidation and leverage. China will press until Australia capitulates. Fortunately the Australians have backbone. As a superpower capable of standing off with China,…

Why is it the US' problem? If AUSTRALIA were currently being led by a wiser politician, or indeed had in the last .. 20 years .. been led by wise politicians .. it wouldn't be in this mess right now in the first place. Its only because Australia kowtows with fluidity every time the US snaps its fingers that its in this mess right now. Australians need to stop being the lapdogs to the American empire, and start thinki…

Because Australians have been led to believe that the US and Australia are allies, resulting in Australia punching way above its weight in giving the USA cover whenever it went abroad, for instance in Iraq, Afghanistan and so on.

The usual understanding is that such loyalty is a two-way street. Not that the current US government cares about such pesky details but that's where it stands.

Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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Should the international laws be amended to consider state-led cyber attacks an act of war in additional to traditional aggression? Seems like UN Security Council should deal with these matters.

International law barely exists and is unenforceable. If a superpower--especially a permanent Security Council member--wants to do something, there's absolutely no recourse. Look at Russia and Crimea. That's the most egregious violation of the notion of international law in recent history, and nothing of consequence happened. The big powers can do whatever they want, and the worst response will be token economic sanc…

Increased encirclement & isolation (economic & political persona non grata) by a large group of the liberal affluent nations is the only approach that will work to curtail military attacks like this one. The CPC ego is extraordinarily fragile, the party's self-esteem gets injured very easily, and that should be taken advantage of. Essentially all the highest GDP per capita nations are liberal allies, they should band together and begin excluding China in unison if these military attacks continue.

It's the sort of organizing the US used to be good at, and is presently failing at miserably (for obvious reasons). Germany, France and Britain are also falling down on the job as well (because they're economically scared), so there's plenty of blame to go around.

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