I know it's not part of the principle, but is there anything in the rules that says you can't charge an additional fee to those signing up using in app payments? If this is the hill Apple chooses to die on, every Apple customer just has to pay an additional 30ish% for a service, but of course you can always sign up online for the special sale price.
You download the app and it doesn’t work
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Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work
#82Somewhere along the way they forgot that apps are why people use their devices/platforms.
Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work
#83One of the problems is that as a consumer, I like the features Apple implements with this. I can just use Apple Pay instead of handing over my credit card. Don't want a subscription? No complicated process. No need to call a number. No need to email anyone. I just click to cancel and I am done. As lousy as this is, the consumer experience is dramatically improved.
I do too. But, a better middle-ground needs to be found which services both consumers and developers. It could literally be as simple as something closer to a 90/10 split.
Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work
#84I'm pretty surprised they haven't just Maliciously Complied by offering an in-app signup buried somewhere obscure in the app, with lots of big flashing warning signs saying "don't click this, it's only for compliance reasons" - and a nice discoverable easily-followable link to the browser-based sign-up. They could be continuing to make the (justified and correct!) stink about Apple's terrible practices, while also ha…
What makes you think that kind of Malicious Compliance update gets accepted at all? The problem with a hypocritical stance is that its existence defies logic to begin with.
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#85I really don’t get the hills people choose to die on these days. Do you want a successful business? Ok, then follow the rules, cover your ass, and do what you need to do to get your business going, even if it’s not always the ideal situation for you. But no, I guess lashing out explosively and torpedoing everything because you’re not treated like the big players when you’re still a little guy is more satisfying, if l…
2) This site is not built by the people who built Hey.
3) The rules are being asymmetrically applied. Why should people be OK with Apple bullying all the companies they think they can get away with bullying?
Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work
#86Good start with compiling the list .. a couple more .. AirBnb, All airline apps. Maybe they have contracts with the big guys for some lump sum deal, or maybe they are just letting them go as they have to ... We developers already pay for the subscription, WWDC, a shiny iPhone / MBP every couple of years (to test and develop the new features :(, learn a language and sdks just for the Apple world - We Devs need Apple f…
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#87Apple takes a 30% cut of all IAP. Google scrapes info and displays it in widgets above links to the actual content. Google charges trademark holders AdWords ransom to protect searches for their own brands. Amazon kills OSS business models by offering managed OSS services on AWS at an unbeatable cost. Amazon picks off the best performing market place categories with Amazon Basics ‘recommended’ competitors. The list go…
> Amazon kills OSS business models by offering managed OSS services on AWS at an unbeatable cost. I don't get the objection to this one. Isn't the point of open source to let the best vendor win? Too many companies fail to realize that you must relentlessly wage war on cost to survive.
Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work
#88I really don’t get the hills people choose to die on these days. Do you want a successful business? Ok, then follow the rules, cover your ass, and do what you need to do to get your business going, even if it’s not always the ideal situation for you. But no, I guess lashing out explosively and torpedoing everything because you’re not treated like the big players when you’re still a little guy is more satisfying, if l…
It’s done wonders for Hey in free publicity. Not that that could possibly be a reason for making a big fuss about it.
Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How can I override Apple's decision? If I can't, who really owns this device? I know you're not, but - anyone earnestly asking this question hasn't been paying attention to Apple since, well, ever.
Not just Apple, the entire electronics industry.
Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work
#90I'm pretty surprised they haven't just Maliciously Complied by offering an in-app signup buried somewhere obscure in the app, with lots of big flashing warning signs saying "don't click this, it's only for compliance reasons" - and a nice discoverable easily-followable link to the browser-based sign-up. They could be continuing to make the (justified and correct!) stink about Apple's terrible practices, while also ha…
This would likely be rejected by the Apple review team.