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Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by Hamuko »

hendzen wrote: post #37

Apple takes a 30% cut of all IAP. Google scrapes info and displays it in widgets above links to the actual content. Google charges trademark holders AdWords ransom to protect searches for their own brands. Amazon kills OSS business models by offering managed OSS services on AWS at an unbeatable cost. Amazon picks off the best performing market place categories with Amazon Basics ‘recommended’ competitors. The list go…

>Google charges trademark holders AdWords ransom to protect searches for their own brands.

Doesn't Apple have its own version of this in the App Store?

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by paulgb »

jonplackett wrote: post #51
paulgb wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the purchase is made in the app, yes. The wording on the site makes it sound like Apple wants a cut of purchases made outside of the app.

well they kinda do, they're saying that they can't do the purchase outside the app and must do it instead in the app, and give them 30%

No, they allow you to have out-of-app sign ups as long as you also have in-app sign-ups, and you can't reference the out-of-app signups (e.g. link to them) from within the app.

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by pas »

happytoexplain wrote: post #47
hendzen wrote: post #37

Apple takes a 30% cut of all IAP. Google scrapes info and displays it in widgets above links to the actual content. Google charges trademark holders AdWords ransom to protect searches for their own brands. Amazon kills OSS business models by offering managed OSS services on AWS at an unbeatable cost. Amazon picks off the best performing market place categories with Amazon Basics ‘recommended’ competitors. The list go…

There are so many comments written in this weirdly contradictory tone - I can't tell if you support or oppose the behaviors of these companies.

AdWords ransom. Not a positive thing.

That said, the comment is a simple terse statement of "facts".

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by wlesieutre »

Hamuko wrote: post #61
hendzen wrote: post #37

Apple takes a 30% cut of all IAP. Google scrapes info and displays it in widgets above links to the actual content. Google charges trademark holders AdWords ransom to protect searches for their own brands. Amazon kills OSS business models by offering managed OSS services on AWS at an unbeatable cost. Amazon picks off the best performing market place categories with Amazon Basics ‘recommended’ competitors. The list go…

> Google charges trademark holders AdWords ransom to protect searches for their own brands. Doesn't Apple have its own version of this in the App Store?

Yes

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by MattGaiser »

hakcermani wrote: post #11

Good start with compiling the list .. a couple more .. AirBnb, All airline apps. Maybe they have contracts with the big guys for some lump sum deal, or maybe they are just letting them go as they have to ... We developers already pay for the subscription, WWDC, a shiny iPhone / MBP every couple of years (to test and develop the new features :(, learn a language and sdks just for the Apple world - We Devs need Apple f…

It is about 1/4 of net profit. They make 15 billion in revenue a year on the app store.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/apple-app-store-had-estimate...

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by cortesoft »

iSoron wrote: post #5

> "That’s not what we want on the store" -- Apple Vice President of Worldwide Marketing What if I own an iPhone and HEY is what I want on my phone? How can I override Apple's decision? If I can't, who really owns this device?

Apple crafts their sales pitch around being a secure device that has a lot of restrictions (which means you can't install what you want, but it also protects non-tech savvy people from messing up their device or being hacked)

It is a pretty well established model. I don't like it sometimes either, but you know what you are getting when you buy an iPhone. It isn't like they changed policy after you bought the device.

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by GeneralTspoon »

scubbo wrote: post #7

I'm pretty surprised they haven't just Maliciously Complied by offering an in-app signup buried somewhere obscure in the app, with lots of big flashing warning signs saying "don't click this, it's only for compliance reasons" - and a nice discoverable easily-followable link to the browser-based sign-up. They could be continuing to make the (justified and correct!) stink about Apple's terrible practices, while also ha…

This would likely be rejected by the Apple review team.

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by kccqzy »

scubbo wrote: post #7

I'm pretty surprised they haven't just Maliciously Complied by offering an in-app signup buried somewhere obscure in the app, with lots of big flashing warning signs saying "don't click this, it's only for compliance reasons" - and a nice discoverable easily-followable link to the browser-based sign-up. They could be continuing to make the (justified and correct!) stink about Apple's terrible practices, while also ha…

Apple doesn't allow a link in the app to direct users to a website to collect payment. You can't even merely say that there's a website where you can pay outside the app. Notice how many apps in the article simply don't provide any explanation about how users are supposed to sign up?

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by 013a »

MattGaiser wrote: post #53

One of the problems is that as a consumer, I like the features Apple implements with this. I can just use Apple Pay instead of handing over my credit card. Don't want a subscription? No complicated process. No need to call a number. No need to email anyone. I just click to cancel and I am done. As lousy as this is, the consumer experience is dramatically improved.

I do too. But, a better middle-ground needs to be found which services both consumers and developers. It could literally be as simple as something closer to a 90/10 split.

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by Hamuko »

MattGaiser wrote: post #53

One of the problems is that as a consumer, I like the features Apple implements with this. I can just use Apple Pay instead of handing over my credit card. Don't want a subscription? No complicated process. No need to call a number. No need to email anyone. I just click to cancel and I am done. As lousy as this is, the consumer experience is dramatically improved.

>As lousy as this is, the consumer experience is dramatically improved.

Is that worth paying $43 extra per year on a HEY subscription?

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