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Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them

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Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them

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Post by starbugs »

zepto wrote: post #63
cmsj wrote: post #16

> The solution is obvious. Stop making apps for iOS. Sure, you’re going to take a huge hit without access to those consumers The solution is obvious. Sabotage your own business. Sure, you're going to go out of business without any customers.

But that’s the whole point of having principles. It costs something to uphold them, which you deem worthwhile to pay. There are plenty of other ways to make money in software without needing to do business with companies you deem unethical.

What serious business, be it B2C or B2B, in today's software world, doesn't require a mobile app on either iOS and Android or a desktop app on Chrome/Windows/macOS?

Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them

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Post by whatever1 »

We need the same solution as the one Microsoft implemented in Windows N.

Once you set-up your new phone (android, iOS whatever), you get to select your default app store. Different stores will have different cost / curation structures, but it will be the user’s decision to make.

The OS manufacturer can still require that all of the apps need to be digitally signed to allow them to be installed, regardless of the store, to guarantee system safety.

Mobile App stores in 2020 are what browsers were to Windows in 90’s.

Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them

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Post by root_axis »

Recursing wrote: post #80
buo wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? I don't use Apple or Google products and I use technology every day.

Doesn't this website use firebase?

You're not a user in any meaningful way of every subcomponent of a product.

Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them

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Post by codemac »

CydeWeys wrote: post #3

"Whining" is an overly prejudicial word choice for this title. These are legitimate issues people have with what Apple is doing, not mere whining. This echoes the "if you don't like it so much then just leave instead of speaking up" dismissal that is so commonly used as a lampshade for suppressing dissent. Not sure if that's the intent here but that's what it comes off as. And this point from the article needs to be…

Apple is not a monopoly! They have a majority (not monopoly) on a very specific US-based market. They aren't the only US market, and they are a small international market.

Apple isn't even the #1 handset manufacturer (they are #3 or #4 depending on who you ask), and far and away isn't the #1 laptop manufacturer.

The attitude that it is a monopoly is exactly the disconnect between this article and your comment. The article thinks your market will just move without different revenue models. That is difficult, it's probably better to find a different market and revenue model.

Your comment is saying that it's worth trying to get Apple to change. That is difficult, near impossible, where they have no incentive to change unless you threaten change yourself with a different market/revenue model.

It seems like your hand is forced - you must do both. You must have a compelling market outside of Apple somehow, and you must petition Apple to change so you can keep access to their market.

I have strong feelings about Apple & Google making "markets" that are not fair/regulated the way I would like - but this idea that it's a monopoly to be "broken up" is not representative of reality.

Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them

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Post by buo »

As an alternative solution that doesn't depend on defining what a monopoly is, or how to boycott a large brand, how about forcing companies to apply the same terms to everybody?

I think at least part of the core of the problem is that Apple applies their subscription requirements differently depending on who owns the app. That is what I think needs to stop. If Yo has to do it one way, then Google, Microsoft, Netflix and Spotify should have to do it the same way too.

Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them

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Post by andrewmutz »

CydeWeys wrote: post #3

"Whining" is an overly prejudicial word choice for this title. These are legitimate issues people have with what Apple is doing, not mere whining. This echoes the "if you don't like it so much then just leave instead of speaking up" dismissal that is so commonly used as a lampshade for suppressing dissent. Not sure if that's the intent here but that's what it comes off as. And this point from the article needs to be…

I disagree that Apple has a monopoly. The iPhone doesn't even have 50% marketshare in the US, and globally it's significantly less.

https://www.counterpointresearch.com/us-market-smartphone-sh...

Not only are there alternatives, the alternatives are extremely similar to the iPhone.

Another interpretation for users who complain loudly but never switch: it just doesn't bother them that much. It bothers them enough to tweet and blog about it, but not enough to actually inconvenience themselves by switching phone platforms.

Apple knows this, and that's why it doesn't change. And it won't change until people actually act instead of just talk.

Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them

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Post by wnevets »

CydeWeys wrote: post #3

"Whining" is an overly prejudicial word choice for this title. These are legitimate issues people have with what Apple is doing, not mere whining. This echoes the "if you don't like it so much then just leave instead of speaking up" dismissal that is so commonly used as a lampshade for suppressing dissent. Not sure if that's the intent here but that's what it comes off as. And this point from the article needs to be…

Stop whining, just stop buying from the company store.

Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them

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Post by Despegar »

I mean lets be honest. Developers actually like the iPhone as a development platform. They like how much money they make from it. They like the products themselves. They just don't want to pay the Apple commission or be restricted in any way by their rules.

Unfortunately those things are tied at the hip. The very rules and product decisions about the platform is what made it the popular and lucrative market it is in the first place.

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