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CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by alwaysanon »

jen20 wrote: post #74
kyberias wrote: post #28

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Can you be more specific? What exactly is horrible on Windows when you've tried coding?

I tried Windows 10 Pro and Windows 2019 Server about 2 months ago on a self-built computer (my first in ~15 years). What I found was: - driver support was atrocious for Windows server, and also for Windows 10. Almost every component from a fairly standard Ryzen build installed some form of custom skinned crapware to get basic functionality - spyware and advertising was everywhere. - the UI is a mess of old and new. I…

On the spyware part it can be all turned off. They give the Group Policy tools to do it to 'Enterprise Customers' but it is all there in the settings/registry and tools like this will flip it all off for you quickly and easily. https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by tjoff »

jchw wrote: post #166
tjoff wrote: post #165

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As it should not. Need to move the laptop into another room? Better not close the lid! Just disable it and actively sleep when you do want to sleep. This is the most sensible way even if you never have any external monitors attached.

What the hell. It’s one thing to say you prefer nothing to happen on lid close. That’s cool. I don’t want that. This is like saying, “I would like a mocha” and having the barista say “Wrong, you want an iced coffee.” No, I do want my laptop to sleep on lid close, just not when it’s docked. This is clearly not much to ask for considering Linux and macOS do it just fine by default and I can still disable sleep on lid c…

It came out harsh, sorry. But it is more like asking for a 33cl beverage but getting 35cl.

There are tons of issues with a computer spuriously going to sleep. Network connectivity dies for one, as well as lots of minor quirks such as music stops etc. Having control of that is quite essential.

Being forced to manually sleep despite ones preferences is not a major issue. It is a sub-second operation that comes with lots of benefits. One of which being explicit with what you want to do.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by treekogreen »

mattwad wrote: post #20
jacquesm wrote: post #10

Pity. CUDA was/is proof positive that Linux on the desktop is perfectly feasible and that you can use it to both do a UI and do meaningful computation on the same machine without getting tied down into all kinds of licensing schemes. Opening this further up to Windows gives fewer people a really good reason to try out Linux as their daily driver. I personally don't get why any developer would prefer Windows over Linu…

Well, same could be said for Macs. I have both a Macbook and Surface. Windows has surpassed Mac at this point in dev friendliness due to WSL. I've got VS Code and Docker Desktop running remotely to WSL 2 and my Surface Pro is silent. Meanwhile, my Macbook's fan is raging right now with just a single VS Code window. That's very anecdotal, but I have a nice, native sandbox for all my work. It's honestly the best of bot…

This is exactly what I have found. I know a bunch of developers (myself included) that went from Macs to Microsoft's surface line. WSL2 has been an absolute game changer, there's something liberating about being able to launch distros of Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora etc all faster than the computer wakes up from sleep, it's literally as fast as opening the command line. Microsoft has been making big moves for developers over the past years through open source contributions, Apple literally does not care about them and this sentiment can be seen explicitly on their respective GitHub pages.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by gwillz »

nxc18 wrote: post #82
deno wrote: post #61

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Using mixed-blurriness environment sounds like a nightmare to me, even if everything should work correctly.

Its really not, only Linux makes it that way. If its done right (as it is on mac, and to a _very_ slightly lesser extent, Windows) there isn't 'blurriness' at all. One monitor will just happen to be sharper than the other. I work every day with a 4K monitor and a 1080p monitor side-by-side and it works well. Linux couldn't handle it in any configuration, especially with mixed Intel integrated+nvidia graphics, but Win…

Wayland+Intel is working quite well in my mixed 4K+1080p setup. Qt apps are handling like a champion. Gtk seems okay too.

Obviously it's not so great with Xwayland, definite blurriness there. But to compare, the only workable X11 setup was one that ignored my 4K screen entirely and the whole thing was blurry.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by Semaphor »

aspenmayer wrote: post #160
Semaphor wrote: post #146

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> Windows Terminal is still pre-1.0 Windows Terminal 1.0 has been out for a bit, the current version is 1.0.1401.0 [0] [0]: https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/releases/tag/v1.0.1401...

Do you know when it’s supposed to become default terminal? I thought I heard it was coming eventually.

Disclaimer: Hazy memory about this, take it with a heap of salt.

I think there were being some problems with that. It is planned but still in the future, possibly only with another feature update.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by pjmlp »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #152
anaisbetts wrote: post #53

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Many many many apps on Linux still have massive issues with DPI, especially with mixed-DPI environments (which are no longer an edge case, they're the Common Case with a laptop attached to a monitor). Even accessing machines remotely via Xrdp has huge issues because once you create the session with a certain DPI, logging into the session from a different DPI machine means you're stuck reading either extremely tiny or…

They are totally an edge case. If you care about hidpi why do you still have a bad external screen? If you don't care about hidpi simply set a lower resolution on the one hidpi screen.

Because that is a standard office configuration during the last 15 years, laptops with docking stations and external monitors.

More than enough time to catch up.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by pjmlp »

jacquesm wrote: post #10

Pity. CUDA was/is proof positive that Linux on the desktop is perfectly feasible and that you can use it to both do a UI and do meaningful computation on the same machine without getting tied down into all kinds of licensing schemes. Opening this further up to Windows gives fewer people a really good reason to try out Linux as their daily driver. I personally don't get why any developer would prefer Windows over Linu…

Because Linux is still crap regarding audio and 3D graphics programming, plus it has a culture of doing everything the PDP-11 way instead of embracing the desktop and GUI based workflows.

Developer != UNIX.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by pjmlp »

patrec wrote: post #65
jacquesm wrote: post #10

Pity. CUDA was/is proof positive that Linux on the desktop is perfectly feasible and that you can use it to both do a UI and do meaningful computation on the same machine without getting tied down into all kinds of licensing schemes. Opening this further up to Windows gives fewer people a really good reason to try out Linux as their daily driver. I personally don't get why any developer would prefer Windows over Linu…

> I personally don't get why any developer would prefer Windows over Linux Because windows now literally has all the stuff Linux has plus a lot more. The only reason for a well paid developer to prefer linux over windows for a desktop OS is that you don't need any of the extra stuff (a decent desktop experience, hardware support and a commercial end user software eco system) or that you have some fundamental objectio…

Just a small correction, the only "developers" that find Apple's offerings hostile are those using macOS as Linux replacement instead of paying to Linux OEMs.

Developers targeting Apple platforms are doing just fine.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by pjmlp »

dman wrote: post #68
patrec wrote: post #65

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> I personally don't get why any developer would prefer Windows over Linux Because windows now literally has all the stuff Linux has plus a lot more. The only reason for a well paid developer to prefer linux over windows for a desktop OS is that you don't need any of the extra stuff (a decent desktop experience, hardware support and a commercial end user software eco system) or that you have some fundamental objectio…

I hope they stop at extend this time.

Google is much further ahead with ChromeOS and Android.
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