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Apple’s App Store fees are ‘highway robbery’ – House antitrust committee chair

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Re: Apple’s App Store fees are ‘highway robbery’ – House antitrust committee chair

#11
If the US Government wants to place limits on certain fees, they should pass a law limiting such fees.

Meanwhile, it's a bit hypocritical for the US Government to accuse private corporations of ‘highway robbery’ when they themselves are committing (or failing to outlaw) literal highway robbery in the form of civil forfeiture.

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post #10

Apple may be robbers, but they're not trolling a public highway, they're demanding fees if you want to drive on the highway that they built. Build a better ecosystem around better devices, better software, better marketing, and better services, and you can also charge whatever you want, or make it free. That is competition. Wanting to drive on someone else's walled highway (which leads directly to eyeballs and open w…

So are we establishing that if you want to create a paid email service with a custom app without wanting to pay 30% of your revenue to Apple, you need to create a competing mobile ecosystem that can rival that of Apple's ($260 billion yearly revenue) and Google's ($162 billion yearly revenue)?

How is this beneficial for innovation and for consumers?

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post #6

Perhaps this is apophenia, but it appears that societal tensions are boiling over from all corners, against all kinds of established authorities, no?

This is the expected outcome from introspection (Corona period).

astrologers will have a different interpretation ;)

Re: Apple’s App Store fees are ‘highway robbery’ – House antitrust committee chair

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post #4

I believe Apple just don't see any reason to be nice. And probably that's what many companies would do if they were in that position. We know that we can't stay dominant forever, We know someone will force us to reduce Apple-tax later, So we have to get as much as we can, for as long as we can.

#mafiatax

This is a ridiculous meme. If you enjoy the mafia's services, don't be surprised if they ask you to pay. But it's your choice to go to them (ask to be put on their platform and sell to their customers). You can make your own internet corner shop, set up payments and distribution, ignore the Apple platform, and never worry about their #mafiatax.

Re: Apple’s App Store fees are ‘highway robbery’ – House antitrust committee chair

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post #9

If you could choose between a fee decrease to 15% or the ability to sideload apps bypassing the store, which is more important? To me, the only reason I avoid iOS is specifically because I cannot install my own apps without using the store.

I don't really see how Apple would be able to justify the 30% cut if sideloading was possible.

Re: Apple’s App Store fees are ‘highway robbery’ – House antitrust committee chair

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post #9

If you could choose between a fee decrease to 15% or the ability to sideload apps bypassing the store, which is more important? To me, the only reason I avoid iOS is specifically because I cannot install my own apps without using the store.

Sideloading makes the other point moot I'd say since competing third party stores would appear?

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post #16
post #9

If you could choose between a fee decrease to 15% or the ability to sideload apps bypassing the store, which is more important? To me, the only reason I avoid iOS is specifically because I cannot install my own apps without using the store.

Sideloading makes the other point moot I'd say since competing third party stores would appear?

I don't think it does. F-Droid exists but is essentially totally unknown on Android.

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post #12
post #10

Apple may be robbers, but they're not trolling a public highway, they're demanding fees if you want to drive on the highway that they built. Build a better ecosystem around better devices, better software, better marketing, and better services, and you can also charge whatever you want, or make it free. That is competition. Wanting to drive on someone else's walled highway (which leads directly to eyeballs and open w…

So are we establishing that if you want to create a paid email service with a custom app without wanting to pay 30% of your revenue to Apple, you need to create a competing mobile ecosystem that can rival that of Apple's ($260 billion yearly revenue) and Google's ($162 billion yearly revenue)? How is this beneficial for innovation and for consumers?

What's beneficial for consumers is the fact that the Apple ecosystem exists at all. People pay because it's a good experience. Everyone is welcome to create good end-user experiences with open technologies like PWA, and distribute however they wish. It's strange to me to say on the one hand "we could not survive without the iOS customer pool, we need to make a native app because it's the greatest experience, but we don't want to pay the platform that makes it all possible".

Re: Apple’s App Store fees are ‘highway robbery’ – House antitrust committee chair

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>It’s crushing small developers who simply can’t survive with those kinds of payments.

Oh I don't know. The "small developers who can't survive" he's talking to here have multiple hypercars and I don't think they are small or facing survival challenges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagani_Zonda#HH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koenigsegg_Agera

Sure there are smaller developers. But the sense of entitlement is a bit much. Once you've written some software, that does not mean you are entitled to have people pay for your life from here on out.

I mean you have developers who have written software once, do not maintain it, and would charge subscription fees if they could, for software they don't update. There is a spectrum of behaviors, and there is a cost for running a store to corral all those behaviors into some order that average consumers can deal with. And then there are even legal bills to pay, for fighting off people who own hypercars and feel wronged.

There could be some room for the fees to come down now that the App Store is well established. But it's not quite how it's being portrayed… highway robbery? Way too dramatic.

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post #3

As much as I agree with the stance against I hate the coverage and the press this is getting with people evangelicizing the CEO. He's regularly referenced on this site by his initials (which even as a regular reader of tech news I had to look up) which comes across as cult of personality at best and astroturfing at worse.

He’s not the CEO though.
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