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Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by moksly »

waltbosz wrote: post #21

What I miss most from the early days of the Internet is the content. It was all created with love. My theory is that the high barrier to entry of online publishing kept all but the most determined people from creating content. As a result, the little content that was out there was usually good. With today's monetized blogs, it is often content for content's sake. People don't try, or they write about topics which the…

People are still creating massive amounts of cool content, it’s just really hard to find. I play blood bowl, I care a lot about the statistics, and I’ve searched a lot on the topic over the past few years.

The best result I could find concerning some official data from FUMBBL (a place you can play blood bowl) was a blog entry from 2013.[1] My circle of friends and the different leagues I play in have been using that as reference for years. We’ve searched and searched to find the data source to no avail.

The other day I’m randomly site: searching for some thing completely unrelated and find a source for live FUMBBL data[2]. You’d think that was the first search engine result related to blood bowl statistics on any search engine, as it’s really the best damn source I’ve ever seen, but it’s not.

I know you were probably referring to something a little more interest based. Well I once sat next to a retired biology professor at a wedding, and it turned out he ran an interest site, detailing all the plants specific to the danish island Bornholm. I don’t care much about plants, but it was exactly a 90ies styles page. Unfortunately I didn’t save the link (I don’t care much about plants), because I haven’t been able to find it since, despite searching for his name.

So I think it’s still there, it’s just not easy to find it.

[1] http://ziggyny.blogspot.com/2013/04/fumbbl-high-tv-blackbox-...

[2] http://fumbbldata.azurewebsites.net/stats.html

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by Kingdutch »

pdxandi wrote: post #175
rudolph9 wrote: post #102

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https://nextjs.org/ is a react wrapper framework that has some nice SSR features. It makes a ubiquitous dev experience where the majority of the app can be rendered server or client side. Last time I worked with it about a year ago it was only the first page load that was rendered server side though but the first one the one that arguably affects the user experience the most.

I love ️Vercel (formerly nextjs). It's such a great platform and their free tier services do a lot of the heavy lifting of configuring a website and managing deployments.

Slight correction to avoid confusion between Open Source product and PaaS(?) company in people's searches: Next.js the product is still named Next.js. The company behind it, Vercel was formerly Zeit :) Their command line tool "Now" has been renamed to Vercel

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by raverbashing »

pphysch wrote: post #106
koreth1 wrote: post #88

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> They are running a reverse wayback machine in that anything not changed in the last year gets removed. Sometimes I wish that were true! Try Googling for, say, PostgreSQL documentation and the top result will often be for a 10-year-old version of the software.

Nitpick, that's kind of a non example because the official Postgres docs let you swap versions more or less seamlessly. IME I will click the top result then click the correct version for my Postgres SE queries. 2 clicks, 0 scrolling.

Well it might be easy to switch but it is a good example

Why is it that Google is thinking the older page is more relevant? Does PageRank outrank content (and Google is oblivious to similar pages that have different versions?)

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by bduerst »

akavel wrote: post #194
CJefferson wrote: post #62

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The problem with any such system is there is money from capturing eyeballs, so once any system gets popular a lot of people will dedicate time to spamming it. I don't know how avoid that.

Hm; a sibling comment about p2p made me start thinking about some kind of "authority" system, with personal tracking. I know it'd be a lot of work for everyone, bit it still sounds maybe doable to me. Like if everything posted to the "directories" was signed by its author, and you'd be able to mark entries (links) as valuable or not for yourself, which would be tracked in your local authors DB, by tweaking particular…

Even those types of authority systems can be gamed as well, unless you're also building your own recaptcha pattern analyzer too.

The problem with decentralization is that it creates a power vaccuum that is filled by the most interested actors. Even bitcoin, with it's decentralization-by-design is actually centralized to a handful of miners in China.'

If the goal is to rebuild something that is anything else other than profit based, you need to make sure the organization running it is strictly non-profit.

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by TeddyDD »

mafuyu wrote: post #127

Along these lines, does anyone have any recommendations for a service or framework to create a simple personal site? I just want a basic blog, project pages, and photo gallery. I use Jekyll at the moment to statically generate pages to host on github.io, but frankly, I don't have much webdev experience and I'd rather just have something work out of the box at this point.

Hugo is great. It's feature packed static website generator. There is plenty of templates you can use and modify.

https://gohugo.io/

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by pjmlp »

It never went away, those of us old fashioned devs on Java and .NET stacks, it has been our bread and butter for the last 20 years regarding Web stacks, SSR with some JavaScript on top.

I guess what it happening is the newer generations re-discovering that actually it makes sense to generate static content once, instead of redoing it in every client device across the globe.

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by [deleted] »

majormajor wrote: post #92
nextaccountic wrote: post #50

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What we really need is a new Google, built on open principles (decentralized / peer to peer, fully free software, backed by a nonprofit), and focused on indexing the long tail of insightful content that is neglected by Google because it lacks SEO, popularity, links, and other metrics that Google find interesting but we don't necessarily do.

Any new google will become the current google because it will be gamed. I agree with the parent poster about hand-curated directories being the key to finding better stuff. It's necessarily much more distributed - because one person can't index everything - and therefore much harder to algorithmically game. Google has conditioned us into thinking that "an algorithm that automagically separates the wheat from the chaf…

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Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by ricardo81 »

nextaccountic wrote: post #50
kickscondor wrote: post #38

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People are still creating great stuff along these lines - you just won't find it through Google or Facebook or most of Reddit. Complex, interesting hypertext creations and web sites are still everywhere. But try typing "interesting hypertext" into Google or Facebook and see where it gets you. You can't search for something that's off the beaten track. This is where directories come back in. Check some of these out: *…

What we really need is a new Google, built on open principles (decentralized / peer to peer, fully free software, backed by a nonprofit), and focused on indexing the long tail of insightful content that is neglected by Google because it lacks SEO, popularity, links, and other metrics that Google find interesting but we don't necessarily do.

I don't think there needs to be a new Google or a requirement to be distributed.

Simply having half a dozen or more search engines per country/language, with their own indexes and algorithms should help see the web more fully.

ATM in English, Bing and Google have the largest indexes and Mojeek has its own index though smaller. DDG, Ecosia and others are just the Bing index re-ordered.

I enjoyed the OP, though. And I think niche directories/blogrolls would be progress. The current centralised web is a result of everyone dancing to the tune/rules of the large platforms.

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by miffy900 »

echlebek wrote: post #188
coder543 wrote: post #135

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If your iPad is 10 years old, then it’s an original iPad. The original iPad received its last update 8 years ago. I really enjoyed my launch day original iPad — it was incredible, just because it was such a new experience, but the hardware was severely underpowered even for the time. Laptops from 2010 are probably much better equipped to browse the web today than that 2010 iPad. It just seems very idealistic to expec…

A 1 GHz Cortex-8 is a ton of computing power. The proof of this is iOS itself. When you bring the GPU into the mix, it's obviously capable of a lot as an operating system. There are no problems displaying high resolution static content and video content on an iPad. But around the same time, it became fashionable to start rendering static content on the fly, maybe inserting some not-so-static content around it to just…

>I have a $3000 1 year old laptop, and sometimes slack gets so slow I have to kill the browser process and start over again. The issue is not hardware.

Keep in mind, the 1st gen iPad was single core and only had 256MB of RAM, which was the same RAM capacity as the then current iPod touch. Compare it to any PC with a single core Intel CPU and the experience will be largely the same, except of course the Intel CPU will require x10 more energy to run.

And yes, it did have a really great CPU for it's time. It's core CPU architecture remained largely unchanged for 2 more generations. The iPad 2 added an extra core (A5), and with the iPad 3rd gen, Apple gave it more GPU power in the SoC (A5X).

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by eloisant »

waltbosz wrote: post #21

What I miss most from the early days of the Internet is the content. It was all created with love. My theory is that the high barrier to entry of online publishing kept all but the most determined people from creating content. As a result, the little content that was out there was usually good. With today's monetized blogs, it is often content for content's sake. People don't try, or they write about topics which the…

I feel like you can find better quality today. Sure you have to dig a little more.

But at the time it was so magical compared to pre-web where the only content you could find was professionally published magazines or books, and suddenly you had all this niche content about stuff that wasn't worth publishing, all in a few clicks.

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