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Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic

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Re: Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic

#101
post #18

The letter is great, but it doesn’t have the same impact Buzz Aldrins reaction to the skeptic had.

For those who haven't seen Aldrin punching a conspiracy theorist in the face: https://youtu.be/jc7gsdonMHw

There is something extremely funny about someone wanting an accomplished astronaut to swear that the most important event in their lives actually happened on a Bible, which we all know is an accurate representation of historical facts...

Re: Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic

#104

Armstrong's exact argument about the vast numbers conspirators that would be required to keep perfect secrecy is exactly what I use when people try to claim that the coronavirus is some kind of hoax or that there's some kind of conspiracy about vaccines. Have you ever tried to get thousands of people to cooperate on anything, let alone perpetuate a massive lie, when they have nothing to gain personally from doing so?

They don't have to lie. You can have 90% of those 400k people do legit work, but still fake the landing. Maybe they built the rocket but encountered some technical bottleneck and had to fake the landing. Not a skeptic myself, but the argument that 400k people needed to keep a secret is pretty weak.

Re: Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the point though. If Aldrin's implicit argument is the US government would never try and defraud its citizen, then any example of such a fraud disproves him.

The fact that it’s the US government isn’t the important bit; Armstrong isn’t asking you to trust the government, and his entire argument is explicit, no reading between the lines required. What’s important is the “gigantic fraud involving 400,000 people” part -- clearly establishing that it would have had to be a pretty extreme effort. And rather than just saying “trust us”, he explicitly suggests asking people outs…

How many people work in the homeopathy industry?

You can create that kind of group think were many do believe in what they are doing.

Re: Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic

#106

Armstrong's exact argument about the vast numbers conspirators that would be required to keep perfect secrecy is exactly what I use when people try to claim that the coronavirus is some kind of hoax or that there's some kind of conspiracy about vaccines. Have you ever tried to get thousands of people to cooperate on anything, let alone perpetuate a massive lie, when they have nothing to gain personally from doing so?

I read about homeopaths on arstechnica the other day and I have to say that it shock me. How did we ever get to a society where people are injecting mercury to fight diseases? The worst part about it is that some of these people are the same who fear vaccines. It just doesn’t make any sense.

How do you even reason with those people?

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/06/homeopaths-sell-inje...

Re: Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic

#107
The worst part about this is that it's a teacher who's believing the fake Moon landing conspiracy theory. I had a teacher in primary school who, one day, filled our heads with nonsense by Erich von daniken. When you're young and a teacher does that it tends to stick in your head.

Re: Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic

#108
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mention flat earth and anti-vax, because they are conspiracy theories that are not obviously driven by the government's behavior.

I am not too familiar with either, but in my view they are definitely associated with ‘authority’ whether then be mainstream media, government, institutions, etc.

Sure, but where I live, these are still held in high regard, yet anti-vax and flat earth spread here too. I don't think the institutions are the direct drivers of conspiracies.

Perhaps I should have made clearer that it was in particular the word "direct" that I was responding too, not the fact that unethical or shady behavior from a government can trigger long-lasting distrust.

Re: Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic

#110
post #99

If Elon can't get us to the Moon by 2030, I'm putting my tinfoil hat on. Does this sound like a group of guys who just accomplished the most impressive feat of human innovation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeAGGpRYmKY

Why aren't they more excited? Professionalism? Tired?
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