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Re: Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey

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Post by bjtitus »

justrudd wrote: post #72
htunnicliff wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how the Netflix app works.

How so? I'm looking at the Netflix app in the App store right now and it offers in app purchases. I don't have to sign up before using it. I can sign up in the app (I'm assuming based on this screenshot from the App Store - https://imgur.com/a/t6AqwEx ). I already have an account. Not going to jump through hoops to try it out. Edited: added screenshot

You need to logout to see the first time user experience.

Those in-app purchases are grandfathered in from older versions of the app so they don't lose those subscribers. They no longer allow new subscriptions through IAP.

Re: Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey

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Post by Hamuko »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #226
Hamuko wrote: post #130

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Yes and?

That million doesn't mean anything to them is what 200 billion in revenue means

It should probably be pointed out that this whole fight is about Apple not getting 30% of $99 on whatever signups the iOS application for a pre-release email platform would generate.

And Apple has boasted about having over 20 million registered iOS developers. Who knows how many of them are actively paying the subscription at the same time, but it's probably still a very large number.

Re: Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey

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Post by xlii »

ac29 wrote: post #153
josho wrote: post #102

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I think you nailed it. All the consumer subscription apps I could think of offer in app purchase. While the apps that target businesses do not. It seems Apple is enforcing their rules to selectively target consumer oriented apps. Which, from a consumer point of view I appreciate it. I like Apple subscriptions. However, for the businesses selling the 30% cut is hard to stomach.

> All the consumer subscription apps I could think of offer in app purchase. Netflix doesn't.

I don’t think it’s fair to use Netflix as an example. Netflix is big enough to make their own rules. We don’t see internal business arrangements but I wouldn’t be surprised if there would be flat fee between Apple and Netflix to settle that.

Hey is trying to do just exact same thing but surfing on the verbosity and not business power per se.

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Post by KiwiJohnno »

xlii wrote: post #235
ac29 wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All the consumer subscription apps I could think of offer in app purchase. Netflix doesn't.

I don’t think it’s fair to use Netflix as an example. Netflix is big enough to make their own rules. We don’t see internal business arrangements but I wouldn’t be surprised if there would be flat fee between Apple and Netflix to settle that. Hey is trying to do just exact same thing but surfing on the verbosity and not business power per se.

Isn't that exactly the problem here though? A big business like, say netflix has enough clout to get what they want.

A smaller business or an individual has no option but to get screwed by apple because they have no power.

Shouldn't we be fighting for a level playing field?

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Post by arvinsim »

scarface74 wrote: post #168
realtalk_sp wrote: post #165

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You're describing stores that exist in a competitive ecosystem with price variation. The analogy breaks down because "buyers of products" doesn't map one-to-one with "owners of iPhones" and because distribution of physical goods actually has significant costs. Assuming you are in fact in the tech industry, you should know that near-zero marginal distribution cost is one of the core principles underpinning software ec…

Let’s talk about console makers then..... How many stores actually “transparently” tell you their markup?

Then perhaps laws should be updated to reflect the digital age?

I wouldn't mind one bit if there would be a general inquiry for practices of all app stores.

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Post by AnonC »

realtalk_sp wrote: post #225
AnonC wrote: post #224

Not defending Apple here, but I see commenters making different sorts of comparisons and saying that Apple is taking an unfairly large cut. Can someone do an objective comparison with publishers of print and ebooks and what commissions they take before the author gets paid (please consider all kinds of publishers and publishing platforms)? AFAIK, that industry is far worse (look at pragprog.com to see what’s consider…

I find it odd that so many people are relying on the "well they do it too argument", as if Apple has a monopoly on monopolistic business practices. If you want an example of a horrible middleman in publishing that's slowly being extinguished by rebelling counterparties, take a look at Elsevier.

If at all my earlier comment was misunderstood, my intent was not to point or justify Apple's policies by implying that "someone else is doing worse, so it's ok for Apple to do this" on the cuts it takes. It's just that the comparisons seem highly selective and dismissive of counter-arguments (there was one such point about video game consoles that was dismissed too).

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Post by arvinsim »

scarface74 wrote: post #169
subdane wrote: post #123

Apple has an abusive relationship with developers. I bet this harkens back to Jobs being pissed about jailbreaking and having to open up the platform. I think the culture still reflects that basic misunderstanding at the company. It's ironic, because it's the apps and developers that made the iPhone what it is - case in point, "There's an app for that," which they actually went and trademarked. https://www.cnn.com/20…

You have no idea about how Nintendo and all of the console makers treat developers. Roku won’t let commercial streaming apps on their platform without making a deal with them.

Seems to be a case of whataboutism. Just because someone is doing it doesn't make it any less wrong.
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