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Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by MikusR »

SXX wrote: post #50
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, CUDA is about the opposite of open source. It needs special hardware and a closed source driver. CUDA on Windows was already a big deal in engineering. Scientists and academics preferred Linux (and python, and docker) and Windows is playing catch up there to become compatible with the tools that have grown in popularity over the last 5 years. Personally, as an open source advocate, I think competition (even fro…

WSL2 and all these features don't have anything to do with open source either. It's basically a shim for communication of two proprietary bits of software on both sides. Fortunately all these graphics and compute shims will never get merged into upstream kernel so they'll be second-class citizens like forever. Dave Airlie who is maintainer of Linux graphics subsystem will never allow to merge it since it's can only b…

So Linux graphics subsystem has only support for MIAOW GPU?

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by diffeomorphism »

anaisbetts wrote: post #53
deno wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VSCode works just fine with hidpi on Linux. It’s just an Electron app after all, and Chromium has had hidpi support since forever.

Many many many apps on Linux still have massive issues with DPI, especially with mixed-DPI environments (which are no longer an edge case, they're the Common Case with a laptop attached to a monitor). Even accessing machines remotely via Xrdp has huge issues because once you create the session with a certain DPI, logging into the session from a different DPI machine means you're stuck reading either extremely tiny or…

They are totally an edge case. If you care about hidpi why do you still have a bad external screen? If you don't care about hidpi simply set a lower resolution on the one hidpi screen.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by jentist_retol »

mattip wrote: post #149

I have the opposite setup: Linux is my primary os and I have windows on a separate ssd that I can either dual boot into or use in qemu from Linux. It gets used once a month or so. I don’t game, so maybe I am the wrong demographic, but I don’t miss anything from windows. All my document work (even right-to-left languages) works well on Linux, default Ubuntu gnome. I use two monitors, with different resolution. What am…

Last time I tried it, I installed Ubuntu 18.04LTS, updated, installed the recommended graphics driver, and then the machine would not boot after that.

I recently tried 20.04LTS on a laptop, with an external GPU over tb3 - it works! However, I really struggled to rectify the display density of my external 4k with the laptop's built in 1080p. I had other show stopper bugs, besides bad scaling, however. :(

What you're missing is the ability to open a game for a quick session while keeping your work open in the background.

What you're missing is that desktop linux is famously unpolished, and worse, brittle. There's a list of known(!) issues with desktop linux that some guy updates - currently it has over 100 entries.

What you're missing is your system continuing to work after major updates (Windows 10's relatively recent and rare "big oops" bugs aside lol). Personally, I use w10 pro with deferred feature updates to mitigate this, which is kinda messed up but there you go. I simply can't afford an update to knock my desktop out, which has happened to me a few times with desktop linux.

What you're missing is that "works for me" works for you, but not for me.

In case you're wondering why I keep trying desktop linux, it's because what I'm missing is an open, free, libre, privacy-respecting desktop. These are values I take seriously enough that I pay yearly estimated license fees to the open source components I use in the form of donations.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by jentist_retol »

chris11 wrote: post #150
mattip wrote: post #149

I have the opposite setup: Linux is my primary os and I have windows on a separate ssd that I can either dual boot into or use in qemu from Linux. It gets used once a month or so. I don’t game, so maybe I am the wrong demographic, but I don’t miss anything from windows. All my document work (even right-to-left languages) works well on Linux, default Ubuntu gnome. I use two monitors, with different resolution. What am…

For work there's a bunch of random applications I need to use. Most documentation/IT support assumes you are using the standard macbook/windows machine. I'd rather not do the work of trying to use linux as my main OS. Plus I'm regularly writing code for mac/linux/windows hosts. Overall I like Windows as an OS, but I like using a linux command line for development. Windows with WSL2 meets most of my dev needs.

>Most documentation/IT support assumes you are using the standard macbook/windows machine.

Frankly, learning and intuitively understanding how many software components work is a valuable skill. "do the work" is steep up front but yields dividends, imo.

Personally, I use WSL2, as well.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by sergeykish »

alerighi wrote: post #43
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, CUDA is about the opposite of open source. It needs special hardware and a closed source driver. CUDA on Windows was already a big deal in engineering. Scientists and academics preferred Linux (and python, and docker) and Windows is playing catch up there to become compatible with the tools that have grown in popularity over the last 5 years. Personally, as an open source advocate, I think competition (even fro…

Also Linux is becoming the new Windows, and is one of the reason I stopped using it. What is the point of using a system that on every release is more and more bloated and full of crap that it breaks? Docker for example, I hate it, it serves no purpose beside wasting disk space and slowing down your machine. BTRFS is a bugged imitation of ZFS. Wayland not only is bugged but even does less things than Xorg. Most scien…

I saw here people argue about DLL hell and static compilation [1], you clearly have a point.

Using Wayland... is it Ubuntu with their experiments?

It's fine you found FreeBSD, but your choices is not Linux fault.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23453157

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by ramblerman »

jacquesm wrote: post #10

Pity. CUDA was/is proof positive that Linux on the desktop is perfectly feasible and that you can use it to both do a UI and do meaningful computation on the same machine without getting tied down into all kinds of licensing schemes. Opening this further up to Windows gives fewer people a really good reason to try out Linux as their daily driver. I personally don't get why any developer would prefer Windows over Linu…

I get your sentiment, but I think it's a bit petty to wish windows wouldn't get better.

Competition is ultimately good, and we should promote Linux for the benefits it brings. Not hope windows will stagnate.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by godelski »

mattip wrote: post #149

I have the opposite setup: Linux is my primary os and I have windows on a separate ssd that I can either dual boot into or use in qemu from Linux. It gets used once a month or so. I don’t game, so maybe I am the wrong demographic, but I don’t miss anything from windows. All my document work (even right-to-left languages) works well on Linux, default Ubuntu gnome. I use two monitors, with different resolution. What am…

I've always been confused that nvidia pushes cuda and ML but shuns linux like it is a leper. I get that gaming is M$ based, but cuda and ML is often done on linux machines.

I can just hope that with AMD's competition that nvidia makes some things easier for us practitioners. I just want stable and relatively up to date drivers.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by fulafel »

patrec wrote: post #65
jacquesm wrote: post #10

Pity. CUDA was/is proof positive that Linux on the desktop is perfectly feasible and that you can use it to both do a UI and do meaningful computation on the same machine without getting tied down into all kinds of licensing schemes. Opening this further up to Windows gives fewer people a really good reason to try out Linux as their daily driver. I personally don't get why any developer would prefer Windows over Linu…

> I personally don't get why any developer would prefer Windows over Linux Because windows now literally has all the stuff Linux has plus a lot more. The only reason for a well paid developer to prefer linux over windows for a desktop OS is that you don't need any of the extra stuff (a decent desktop experience, hardware support and a commercial end user software eco system) or that you have some fundamental objectio…

> The only reason for a well paid developer to prefer linux that you don't need any of the extra stuff (a decent desktop experience, [...list of several more "linux sucks" opinions])

I think you'll find many Linux devs who have previously used or considered Windows have their own list of "windows sucks" reasons.

(By "Well paid", are you referring to people who are willing to spend money on big ticket desktop sw, or people who are in it for the money and don't have the curiosity or interest about how the system works? I think for most it's not about not being able to afford the SW.)

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by aspenmayer »

Semaphor wrote: post #146
patrec wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WSL2 came out (in non-preview version) last month and is a vital improvement. Windows Terminal is still pre-1.0 as is the CUDA and DirectX on Linux stuff. Then give it a bit of time to percolate through, technically and socially.

> Windows Terminal is still pre-1.0 Windows Terminal 1.0 has been out for a bit, the current version is 1.0.1401.0 [0] [0]: https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/releases/tag/v1.0.1401...

Do you know when it’s supposed to become default terminal? I thought I heard it was coming eventually.
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