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Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Re: Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Post by dpkonofa »

oillio wrote: post #181
gamblor956 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Analogous != same. It means its very similar factually. The law does not require that Google and Apple run their online stores the same way, or that Apple interact with Google's store the same way they choose to run their own store. That's correct. But the law does require them to run the stores in a way that does not violate antitrust laws. Apple is violating antitrust laws by forcing companies to use Apple Pay as a…

> plus a 30% cut for doing nothing It's not nothing. Maybe not worth 30% but it is worth something. They run the store, buy the servers and pay for the bandwidth. Pay the engineers to develop and manage the infrastructure. Run the app certification process. Maintain the security of the platform. etc. If they can't charge their 30% cut, they will need a different business plan. Possibly charging app developers directl…

Yeah... I guarantee you that Apple customers appreciate the consistency of the App Store, especially the payment systems.

Re: Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Post by kalleboo »

HatchedLake721 wrote: post #306
actuator wrote: post #267

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The whole issue is about choice. If what Apple is offering you is worth the 30% cut they ask for, you will pay it. If it is not, you should be free to use your own method and take care of the details like tax yourself. Cross platform things anyway have to solve this problem on their own.

Yes, that worked out very well in 00’s with windows mobile. /s People don’t understand the power of consumer friendly digital experience

Works fine on Android

Re: Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Post by veilrap »

MattRix wrote: post #109
Spivak wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you're choosing a definition of the world that's too narrow -- "if you've already decided to go to Walmart then Walmart is the only store that can sell at Walmart." Why isn't "the world" the smartphone market where there are plenty of options?

Because an iPhone is not the App Store. This seems fairly obvious? "the definition of world is too narrow" is a pretty weak argument.

I buy an iPhone, knowing what App Store I'm getting. I don't see the issue, I chose to buy into this ecosystem.

Re: Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Post by tekknik »

gamblor956 wrote: post #70
snowwrestler wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously if Apple owns one platform, and Google owns the other platform, it is not actually the same situation. The law does not require that Google and Apple run their online stores the same way, or that Apple interact with Google's store the same way they choose to run their own store. In fact it's arguable that a free marketplace encourages and depends on different companies taking different approaches to meet cu…

Analogous != same. It means its very similar factually. The law does not require that Google and Apple run their online stores the same way, or that Apple interact with Google's store the same way they choose to run their own store. That's correct. But the law does require them to run the stores in a way that does not violate antitrust laws. Apple is violating antitrust laws by forcing companies to use Apple Pay as a…

Apple Pay does not take a 30% cut. And this entire out of context screenshot is misleading. If you want to say they’re doing it to avoid Googles 30% cut then you’re free to your opinion but what’s really happening here is you’re adding a payment method to your apple account. It’s the same as google allowing me to modify my payment methods on their services using an iphone app.

Re: Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Post by monadic2 »

baxtr wrote: post #253
actuator wrote: post #232

I really don't understand why people are defending Apple on this. It seems shameful of a $1.5 trillion company to do this to developers. Even more so when they themselves don't abide by their philosophy. They are extracting out a competitive advantage from this on other services like Spotify or Netflix( even without this they have a big one at app discovery and pre installs on iOS). Kudos to Google for allowing the d…

Imagine for a second distributing an app in 175 countries around the globe including all the tax details. I think it's fair to participate on such a global platform and a price for it.

30% cut for distribution seems ridiculously high—why not 3% or 0.3% or, best of all, a flat fee? Costs aren't even proportionate to the transaction amount. They don't even allow proper microtransactions which might make the fee make sense compared to processing with a credit card. What differentiates this from extortion?

Re: Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Post by veilrap »

RonanTheGrey wrote: post #322
selykg wrote: post #72

I'm really having a hard time wrapping my head around why this is such a huge deal to people. Opinions are fine, everyone can have one but I always see Apple's payment options as a massive win as a consumer. 1. Subscriptions are easily monitored from a single page. 2. Before subscriptions renew I get emailed, not all services do this, shame on those that do not and a magic renewal transaction goes through without not…

You're effectively taking the position of "fuck the business for trying to survive". Amazon makes billions, why didn't they just pay the 30%? Because their margins are 5% at best. Survival. Not even wealth. And the argument you're making can ONLY be used to support the position that "well then why isn't Apple just the only company in the world and everyone is forced by law to use them?" Because that's the long-term o…

Apple users bought into the ecosystem. It's not the only ecosystem in town, it's not even the biggest ecosystem in town. Consumers can choose the platform they want to buy into.

Re: Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Post by tekknik »

basch wrote: post #233
oillio wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> plus a 30% cut for doing nothing It's not nothing. Maybe not worth 30% but it is worth something. They run the store, buy the servers and pay for the bandwidth. Pay the engineers to develop and manage the infrastructure. Run the app certification process. Maintain the security of the platform. etc. If they can't charge their 30% cut, they will need a different business plan. Possibly charging app developers directl…

There should be a difference between a 30% cut of an app (of which apple can say their toolkits and os development are part of the product offering) and a 30% cut of a subscription, especially a multiplatform subscription. if you could buy netflix with applepay, but then 90% of your netflix usage is not on apple devices, apple collects on that entire subscription. Subscriptions should be priced more like a credit car…

if you buy something with apple pay the business does not pay a cut. if you buy something with in app purchases or in app subscriptions then you pay the 30%

Re: Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Post by kalleboo »

realtalk_sp wrote: post #333

@dang Other submissions related to Apple and Hey are not sticking to the front page (or within the top 50 submissions) even though they are highly trafficked in terms of upvotes and comments. Could you please explain why this is happening? I want to believe I'm mistaken here but it seems like they're being nuked to prevent discussion on the topic (perhaps because it veers towards being critical of Apple).

They try to avoid the front page of HN becoming all about a single topic (this applies to any topic not just about Apple)

Re: Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Post by raydev »

oillio wrote: post #181
gamblor956 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Analogous != same. It means its very similar factually. The law does not require that Google and Apple run their online stores the same way, or that Apple interact with Google's store the same way they choose to run their own store. That's correct. But the law does require them to run the stores in a way that does not violate antitrust laws. Apple is violating antitrust laws by forcing companies to use Apple Pay as a…

> plus a 30% cut for doing nothing It's not nothing. Maybe not worth 30% but it is worth something. They run the store, buy the servers and pay for the bandwidth. Pay the engineers to develop and manage the infrastructure. Run the app certification process. Maintain the security of the platform. etc. If they can't charge their 30% cut, they will need a different business plan. Possibly charging app developers directl…

> Possibly charging app developers directly for access to the app store.

This is already the case. $100/year USD to get the privilege of being on the App Store.

Actually, getting on the App Store is not even guaranteed after you pay the fee, since you still need to pass their review process.

Re: Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google 30% cut

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Post by [deleted] »

rydre wrote: post #22

Boycott WWDC everyone. Trillion Dollar companies don't play by the fair rules. Apple Music on Android requires its own payment details to avoid Google Play's 30% cut. Apple has accused Match, Epic, and Spotify of wanting a 'free ride' while taking one themselves.

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