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CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by cwyers »

bonzini wrote: post #59
Kipters wrote: post #57

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Next? They're trying to upstream it

Why would it matter if it's upstream? Upstreaming something like this is not really useful to anyone but Microsoft; it is still something that is inextricably tied to Windows and WSL. The point is not "extinguishing" Linux per se, it's achieving enough lock-in that only Linux that Microsoft customers can use is WSL.

WSL is not a Linux. It is a Windows subsystem for running Linux userlands. (Almost as if the WSL name isn't totally nonsense!)

The "default" is Ubuntu. But Debian is supported, OpenSUSE is supported, Kali is supported. Unsupported but available, you can get Alpine, CentOS, Fedora, Arch, lots of distros.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by anthk »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #140
alerighi wrote: post #43

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Also Linux is becoming the new Windows, and is one of the reason I stopped using it. What is the point of using a system that on every release is more and more bloated and full of crap that it breaks? Docker for example, I hate it, it serves no purpose beside wasting disk space and slowing down your machine. BTRFS is a bugged imitation of ZFS. Wayland not only is bugged but even does less things than Xorg. Most scien…

It's funny that you list docker and wayland as linux bloat that freebsd doesn't have, when docker works just fine on freebsd and wayland support is also in the works. Personally I use Ubuntu as a daily driver. No docker unless you install it and comes with Xorg (as well as wayland, but you're not forced to use it).

>when docker works just fine on freebsd

No, that's emulation. FreeBSD has something much better: jails.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by anthk »

alerighi wrote: post #36
jacquesm wrote: post #10

Pity. CUDA was/is proof positive that Linux on the desktop is perfectly feasible and that you can use it to both do a UI and do meaningful computation on the same machine without getting tied down into all kinds of licensing schemes. Opening this further up to Windows gives fewer people a really good reason to try out Linux as their daily driver. I personally don't get why any developer would prefer Windows over Linu…

First a developer you don't do only programming: you maybe have to work with documents, do a presentation, a spreadsheet and thus use Office. You maybe have to make some icons or logos and thus you need Adobe Illustrator. You maybe need to connect to a printer like the one that we have at my office that good luck doing that on Linux. You maybe need a CAD software to designa PCB, you need whatever other software that…

>some icons or logos

Imagemagick and call it done. Now everyone likes minimalist shit, so here you have. Or Xfig, if you feel fancy.

>You maybe need to connect to a printer like the one that we have at my office that good luck doing that on Linux

CUPS has less issues on Unix than the Windows "today it prints, tomorrow I'll toss a coin and let the Universe decide".

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by anthk »

jen20 wrote: post #74
kyberias wrote: post #28

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Can you be more specific? What exactly is horrible on Windows when you've tried coding?

I tried Windows 10 Pro and Windows 2019 Server about 2 months ago on a self-built computer (my first in ~15 years). What I found was: - driver support was atrocious for Windows server, and also for Windows 10. Almost every component from a fairly standard Ryzen build installed some form of custom skinned crapware to get basic functionality - spyware and advertising was everywhere. - the UI is a mess of old and new. I…

- driver support was atrocious for Windows server, and also for Windows 10. Almost every component from a fairly standard Ryzen build installed some form of custom skinned crapware to get basic functionality

SDI Tool Origin. Don't waste your time with everything else.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by Semaphor »

patrec wrote: post #113
est31 wrote: post #100

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According to the Stack Overflow survey, Linux Desktop marketshare for developer has been growing constantly over the years. 23% in 2018's "primary desktop OS" question, 26% in 2019, 27% in 2020. Prior to that the question was asked differently, allowing multiple choices, but Linux was even lower back then. WSL was released in 2016 so much of this growth has happened while it was out. There might be some delay in the…

WSL2 came out (in non-preview version) last month and is a vital improvement. Windows Terminal is still pre-1.0 as is the CUDA and DirectX on Linux stuff. Then give it a bit of time to percolate through, technically and socially.

> Windows Terminal is still pre-1.0

Windows Terminal 1.0 has been out for a bit, the current version is 1.0.1401.0 [0]

[0]: https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/releases/tag/v1.0.1401...

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by sergeykish »

patrec wrote: post #65
jacquesm wrote: post #10

Pity. CUDA was/is proof positive that Linux on the desktop is perfectly feasible and that you can use it to both do a UI and do meaningful computation on the same machine without getting tied down into all kinds of licensing schemes. Opening this further up to Windows gives fewer people a really good reason to try out Linux as their daily driver. I personally don't get why any developer would prefer Windows over Linu…

> I personally don't get why any developer would prefer Windows over Linux Because windows now literally has all the stuff Linux has plus a lot more. The only reason for a well paid developer to prefer linux over windows for a desktop OS is that you don't need any of the extra stuff (a decent desktop experience, hardware support and a commercial end user software eco system) or that you have some fundamental objectio…

More like familiar experience. Most people don't care about things they have not experienced, Blub paradox.

It is amazing how Mac users stick with Apple through a lot of inconvenience - x86 transition, USB type C, adapters, no audio jack, touchbar, breaking updates, walled garden iPhone. But they also brought a lot to community - good chassis, quality touchpad, HiDPI, wide gamut, capacitive touchscreens with gorilla glass.

Microsoft users has no less inconvenience - ribbon, metro, viruses, ever changing frameworks, ever confusing names (winrt), wrecked settings, custom theme on every application. And community gains - Word, Excel, up to IE6 innovations, XBox, VS Code, language servers, maybe crossplatform .Net some day.

I do not want to wreck them, I want to be objective. Microsoft of 80s rocked, in 90s - big and everpresent. Today they excel in PR. Hell, they got package manager 20 years late.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by mattip »

I have the opposite setup: Linux is my primary os and I have windows on a separate ssd that I can either dual boot into or use in qemu from Linux. It gets used once a month or so. I don’t game, so maybe I am the wrong demographic, but I don’t miss anything from windows. All my document work (even right-to-left languages) works well on Linux, default Ubuntu gnome. I use two monitors, with different resolution. What am I missing? I spend my time in vim/cli, slack, github in Firefox, and email on thunderbird.

Re: CUDA on Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

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Post by chris11 »

mattip wrote: post #149

I have the opposite setup: Linux is my primary os and I have windows on a separate ssd that I can either dual boot into or use in qemu from Linux. It gets used once a month or so. I don’t game, so maybe I am the wrong demographic, but I don’t miss anything from windows. All my document work (even right-to-left languages) works well on Linux, default Ubuntu gnome. I use two monitors, with different resolution. What am…

For work there's a bunch of random applications I need to use. Most documentation/IT support assumes you are using the standard macbook/windows machine. I'd rather not do the work of trying to use linux as my main OS. Plus I'm regularly writing code for mac/linux/windows hosts.

Overall I like Windows as an OS, but I like using a linux command line for development. Windows with WSL2 meets most of my dev needs.

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