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The Return of the 90s Web

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Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by zafiro17 »

yagodragon wrote: post #25

I really hope personal blogging becomes popular again!. Speaking of which, I still haven't found a really good alternative to the "horrible" WordPress for blogging. It has: - Integrated API, RSS - Tons of plugins - Accessibility, translations - Easy and powerful editor(Gutenberg) - Comments sections and forms w/ complete ownership and moderation - Easy data imports from multiple platforms. - Users and roles - 100% op…

Have a look at serendipity. Certainly doesn't have "tons" of plugins but it's had all the ones I need, and it's dead simple: PHP and either a Mysql or a postgresql database underneath. I've used it for years, happily.

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by chooseaname »

bob1029 wrote: post #98
JohnBooty wrote: post #15

I can't wait for server-side rendering to take its place in the sun again. There are many use cases for which a client-side framework like React is eesential. But I feel the vast majority of use cases on the web would be better off with server-side rendering. And... There are issues of ethics here. You are kidding yourself to an extent when you say that you are building a "client-side web app." It is essentially an a…

I am aggressively pursuing a universal 100% server-side UI framework (not just targeting the web). If AMD has demonstrated anything to me, it's that the server is the place to do as much work as you can. Offloading work to client devices feels like stealing to me at this point. Websites are very abusive with your resources.

> Offloading work to client devices feels like stealing to me at this point.

Kinda is. It makes my mobile work harder and thus uses more battery.

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by arcturus17 »

peruvian wrote: post #105
JohnBooty wrote: post #15

I can't wait for server-side rendering to take its place in the sun again. There are many use cases for which a client-side framework like React is eesential. But I feel the vast majority of use cases on the web would be better off with server-side rendering. And... There are issues of ethics here. You are kidding yourself to an extent when you say that you are building a "client-side web app." It is essentially an a…

There’s an exponentially growing recruiting, training, and hiring industry based on developers who only know how to write fat JS frontends. I think everyone has probably experienced high growth in their company’s frontend team. Many developers choose to write them not out of expertise but to have them in their resume and for job security.

Many of us also choose to write it because it’s fun and the results can be excellent.

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by chongli »

jandrese wrote: post #89
asdff wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Results could be better filtered. SEO spam isn't very nuanced, it all reads the same and frequently plagiarized. I wonder if you can crudely use something like turnitin to filter for original content. Maybe you could try and make a model SEO article for your own search engine, just taking your existing SEO results and figuring out which parameters are contributing the most to their ranking, then filtering out results…

SEO is exactly as sophisticated as it needs to be to get to the top of your rankings.

SEO sites have an Achilles' heel though: they need to make money somehow, and 99% it's going to be ads. So filter them out based on that. Create a space for a noncommercial web.

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by jefftk »

chongli wrote: post #124
jandrese wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SEO is exactly as sophisticated as it needs to be to get to the top of your rankings.

SEO sites have an Achilles' heel though: they need to make money somehow, and 99% it's going to be ads. So filter them out based on that. Create a space for a noncommercial web.

They can also make money by selling things. Much harder to detect algorithmically than ads, and I don't know if you want to filter it out?

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by jennasys »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #43

If we’re going back to the 90’s let this be your reminder we still don’t have something for web dev as easy to use as VB6.

Anvil has basically created VB6 for the web but uses Python for the code-behind-the-forms. It can't do everything, but on the surface looks like a pretty valiant effort: https://anvil.works/

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by mafuyu »

Along these lines, does anyone have any recommendations for a service or framework to create a simple personal site? I just want a basic blog, project pages, and photo gallery. I use Jekyll at the moment to statically generate pages to host on github.io, but frankly, I don't have much webdev experience and I'd rather just have something work out of the box at this point.

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by rpdillon »

pphysch wrote: post #106
koreth1 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are running a reverse wayback machine in that anything not changed in the last year gets removed. Sometimes I wish that were true! Try Googling for, say, PostgreSQL documentation and the top result will often be for a 10-year-old version of the software.

Nitpick, that's kind of a non example because the official Postgres docs let you swap versions more or less seamlessly. IME I will click the top result then click the correct version for my Postgres SE queries. 2 clicks, 0 scrolling.

You're right. I tend to click back, then revise my search to include the version, and then click the result, so Google gets the message that when I search for Postgres docs, I want the most recent version. I have no idea if this actually works, but I heard Google uses bounces to determine relevancy, so I thought it was worth a shot.

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Post by lawn »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #86
JohnBooty wrote: post #15

I can't wait for server-side rendering to take its place in the sun again. There are many use cases for which a client-side framework like React is eesential. But I feel the vast majority of use cases on the web would be better off with server-side rendering. And... There are issues of ethics here. You are kidding yourself to an extent when you say that you are building a "client-side web app." It is essentially an a…

The less stuff on the server the better imo. Whenever I can get away with it I use a static site generator or I use vuejs with a json file containing all the data for the site. Being able to just drop a static set of files in to a webserver without any risk of security issues in my code is great. I also hate the tools for backend rendering since if you need any kind of interactivity it becomes so much easier if you h…

Phoenix LiveView gives you excellent interactivity with backend rendering.
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