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Post by donmcronald » Thu, Jun 18, 2020, 11:22 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #158

nrmitchi wrote: post #139

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I think most people understand that the parent could be describing credit card markets, and I don't think that anyone is trying to make the case that credit card companies don't also take anti-competitive actions. But the typical credit card fee is ~3%, which is literally an order of magnitude less, and Visa/Mastercard/etc also don't prohibit their merchants from accepting other forms of payment.

What’s the typical markup between wholesale and retail? How much does every single digital store charge - including the console makers?

Post by dogma1138 » Thu, Jun 18, 2020, 11:25 PM UTC

s800 wrote: post #163

realtalk_sp wrote: post #120

Some people here seem to be responding to all of this inappropriately. The simple fact is that Apple is injecting itself as an intermediary in the payment process and extracting a preposterously oversized commission for no meaningful added value. And it's easy to see that Apple knows what they're doing is wrong. They strictly prohibit developers from signaling that there's an extra cost for purchases made through App…

Anyone know what console makers charge developers these days? My experience is from several decades ago, and is comparable to what Apple charges in its store.

Post by scarface74 » Thu, Jun 18, 2020, 11:26 PM UTC

donmcronald wrote: post #187

scarface74 wrote: post #161

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Would they also be unhappy if they knew the markup for every store? The markup for soda and drinks in a restaurant? Is there anyone who doesn’t know that retailers markup goods?

Those places are handling physical goods and they have a lot of real costs associated with their services. That's not the same as Apple taking 15-30% of revenue for a subscription where the developer is running the entire backend and all Apple does is host a few install / update files. There's no developer on the planet that would agree to that deal if Apple couldn't use the customers from their phone business as lev…

Post by donmcronald » Thu, Jun 18, 2020, 11:28 PM UTC

davidivadavid wrote: post #170

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #100

The problem is, Apple taking a cut from service where they don't own the device (you bought it from them; you own it) don't provide the network (you contract for that yourself) don't provide the content Its just some kind of strong-arm tactic - they do it because they can. Like some bouncer outside a club who demands money, but is not employed by the club nor the act. Just standing in the door and demanding money, an…

That's a pretty obvious straw man. They take a cut for the marketplace. Which is the service apps rely on.

Post by scarface74 » Thu, Jun 18, 2020, 11:43 PM UTC

jollins wrote: post #196

scarface74 wrote: post #183

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What makes a console less of a “General purpose computer” than a phone? Again. Just like consoles and the Roku - the console makers get a cut of every game sold - even physical games. At one point, Nintendo limited the number of titles third party companies could publish and force them to use their manufacturing facilities. No retailer just sells things at a markup that covers costs.

A video game console isn't used for programming, video production, writing, homework, etc. You know what I mean. The fact that they are specially packaged PC parts is beside the point. You keep bringing up video game distribution though, so let's roll with it. Pretend all of software was like video game distribution. How much worse would software be for users? Imagine FOSS on that.