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Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by bad_user »

DEinspanjer wrote: post #196
IChrisI wrote: post #190

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Personally, I like Chrome's address bar better than Firefox 4's. In Chrome, I can type g-m- to go to Gmail. In Firefox, it's g-m- - . It's a little thing, but it makes a difference to me. Can't live without Tree Style Tabs though. Firefox is my "heavy lifting" browser.

I greatly prefer being able to hit enter on the first result too. Here is the addon I use to enable that: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/mozilla-labs-...

You don't need an addon -- the option is in about:config.

Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by bad_user »

bretthoerner wrote: post #97
mbrubeck wrote: post #19

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* Faster startup, more responsive, faster JavaScript with the new Jaegermonkey JIT. * New, less cluttered UI. * Built-in sync of bookmarks/tabs/history/passwords, fully encrypted on the client (unlike Chrome's sync which encrypts passwords only). * Sync your bookmarks, tabs, history, passwords, and form data to Firefox for Android! See also this thread for answers from various members of the Firefox team: http://www.…

But aren't those all features of Chrome? Wouldn't a happy Chrome user want to know about something FF4 does that Chrome doesn't? It's very clear that 4 > 3.6, the features you listed are awesome ... they just aren't very appealing to a current Chrome user.

What Firefox has:

1) the Awesomebar, which I love, although some people hate, plus more advanced functionality -- like in Chrome you can't search your history and delete items in the search results, which I think is retarded as your only option is to purge your entire history

It also seems pretty clear that Chrome is built to use the Google Search Engine whenever possible. For example if you search for something in the location bar, Firefox can redirect you to the very first result on Google for that search if it has a high degree of certainty. The Awesomebar is also designed such that you'll do less searching on Google.

However, the ties of Chrome to Google can be seen by the way the browser makes you search on Google, even in cases where a local search in your history would make much more sense.

2) Firefox plugins can do pretty much anything -- Chrome plugins are basically useless. I.e. Firebug can be a Firefox plugin, while on Chrome this had to be baked in. It means Firefox can have things like proper ad-blocking and Delicious integration on the push of a button

3) a non-profit organization behind it -- when dealing with companies and organizations the concept of "trust" applies heavily, and personally I trust that Mozilla looks after my interests much more than I trust Google

Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by mistermann »

eapen wrote: post #75
icegreentea wrote: post #25

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I've been using FF4 beta since B3... does anyone actually use the panorama/tab grouping thing? I find its performance really poor and kinda frustrating, especially since I've been using add-ons that provide similar functionality for a while.

Since I tend to have 20-30 tabs open at a time, the tabs are usually too small to read - so I ended up using the Panorama to hold "ReadItLater" tabs. But now that the TreeStyleTab add-on is compatible with FF4, I no longer use it. Btw.. if you have a widescreen monitor, check out TreeStyle tab.

>TreeStyleTab add-on is compatible with FF4, I no longer use it

Does it work with your FF4? Mine doesn't!!!

Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by bretthoerner »

bad_user wrote: post #262
bretthoerner wrote: post #97

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But aren't those all features of Chrome? Wouldn't a happy Chrome user want to know about something FF4 does that Chrome doesn't? It's very clear that 4 > 3.6, the features you listed are awesome ... they just aren't very appealing to a current Chrome user.

What Firefox has: 1) the Awesomebar, which I love, although some people hate, plus more advanced functionality -- like in Chrome you can't search your history and delete items in the search results, which I think is retarded as your only option is to purge your entire history It also seems pretty clear that Chrome is built to use the Google Search Engine whenever possible. For example if you search for something in t…

> like in Chrome you can't search your history and delete items in the search results, which I think is retarded as your only option is to purge your entire history

Sure you can. Control-H or Menu->History.

> Firefox plugins can do pretty much anything -- Chrome plugins are basically useless.

It's worth noting that Firefox is working on adding Chrome-like 'useless' extensions to their browser.

https://jetpack.mozillalabs.com/index.html

> a non-profit organization behind it

Sure, but remember that they don't run on rainbows and dreams. Mozilla is basically funded by Google affiliate payments.

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I do agree about AwesomeBar (miss it) and extension support (though I don't miss any from FF, myself) though.

Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by gnaritas »

hasenj wrote: post #206
ebiester wrote: post #125

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If flash crashes, it only crashes out one tab. That's the killer feature for me with chrome.

In firefox, if flash crashes, it doesn't crash any tab; just the flash element (e.g. the youtube video box becomes gray)

> just the flash element (e.g. the youtube video box becomes gray)

In every tab, all flash elements become gray. I'd rather just one tab crash that parts of many tabs crashing.

Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by th »

gnaritas wrote: post #265
hasenj wrote: post #206

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In firefox, if flash crashes, it doesn't crash any tab; just the flash element (e.g. the youtube video box becomes gray)

> just the flash element (e.g. the youtube video box becomes gray) In every tab, all flash elements become gray. I'd rather just one tab crash that parts of many tabs crashing.

The same thing happens in Chrome as in Firefox. Whenever the Flash plugin crashes for me in Chrome all Flash elements in every tag crash.

Note: Firefox used to crash the entire browser when Flash crashed so the method that Chrome and Firefox now use is an improvement.

Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by adnam »

niels_olson wrote: post #148
gcr wrote: post #121

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Maximize. It puts the tabs in the title bar when you maximize.

Where is this "maximize"? Is it an add-on? A button I'm not seeing? edit: why the downvotes? I'm at work on my rickety WinXP corporate box, and FF4 definitely does not behave as described above. (Do really think I didn't try that?!)

F11

Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by eapen »

mistermann wrote: post #263
eapen wrote: post #75

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Since I tend to have 20-30 tabs open at a time, the tabs are usually too small to read - so I ended up using the Panorama to hold "ReadItLater" tabs. But now that the TreeStyleTab add-on is compatible with FF4, I no longer use it. Btw.. if you have a widescreen monitor, check out TreeStyle tab.

>TreeStyleTab add-on is compatible with FF4, I no longer use it Does it work with your FF4? Mine doesn't!!!

The author's site has the latest version that works with FF4. http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/_treestyletab.html.en

DL: http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/xpi/confirm.cgi?treestyletab.xp...

Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by Casis »

Very nice, the UI is well designed, more screen estate.

Just 2 complaints:

- The colors's arrows for previous/next are not really visible

- When on a laptop, I used to open a link in a new tab by right click + open in a new tab. This option was the second one in the previous firefox's version, now it's the first, so I end up opening a lot of links in new window instead of new tab, guess it's only a matter of time till I get the habit :)

Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by samstokes »

bad_user wrote: post #229

I have been using Chrome for 6 months now. What I liked about Chrome: optimized usage of vertical space and speed. But what I really disliked about it -- Chrome add-ons are useless. Chrome would never allow something like Firebug without being built-in. And I couldn't find a plugin with proper Delicious integration either. Also, searching the history in the address bar works a lot better in Firefox -- probably has so…

I couldn't find a plugin with proper Delicious integration

The Delicious addon doesn't seem to have been marked as working with Firefox 4, so it won't install. Have you tried the about:config hack to ignore the plugin compatibility check? Does the Delicious addon work if so?

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