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Rents are dropping across the US

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Re: Rents are dropping across the US

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No, rent is about supply and demand. What people can afford -- how much money they have -- is a component of demand, but supply also matters. If you look at countries that restrict supply less than the US, you'll notice that rent doesn't go to such high extremes in booming cities. For example, in Germany, the most expensive cities, the ones that have been booming, have average rents that are around 40-50% higher than…

Agreed on supply. Might want to look at the 75% of household disposable income or exclude non-workers. Only the best earners get to live in the city. Germany is a relatively equal country. A worker in the capital doesn't get double salary as the same position in the countryside. In fact there is hardly anybody who earns triple as of anybody else in the country. The US is extremely unequal. A position in NYC can pay n…

> In fact there is hardly anybody who earns triple as of anybody else in the country.

Bullshit. I live in Germany, there's somewhat less income inequality than the US, but this is a gross exaggeration. A programmer in Munich easily earns triple or more than what someone gets at a random McJob like at Starbucks, also in Munich.

The bigger reason for why German rents are lower is simply that they allow for way more housing supply. In the US, even in major cities it's common to have wide swathes of land zoned for mandatory single family homes on large lots. In contrast, Germany doesn't have any such zoning in the entire country. You're always allowed to make at least some level of multi-family housing.

Re: Rents are dropping across the US

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This articles takes 4 pieces of anecdotal evidence and concludes rents are dropping; there is no study, no calling around, no use of modern technology. Just 4 anecdotal pieces of evidence.

Then everyone on HN is going to start talking about their anecdotal evidence which does exactly nothing for anyone.

This is exactly the kind of drivvel and BS that does not belong on HN or frankly, published in 2020.

Re: Rents are dropping across the US

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Caltrain summary: - no wifi - relatively expensive for a return trip - 4th and King terminal is nowhere. You still have to get to FiDi or somewhere - runs hourly after a certain time, ending at midnite (pre-corona.) - if you forget/can't prove you paid, $200+fine and interrogation There is garage parking downtown after 6 pm, but that's $20+.

> - if you forget/can't prove you paid, $200+fine and interrogation This happened to me the first time I took BART to Millbrae from the Glen Park station. I did some transfer that I mistakenly thought was covered by my ticket but apparently wasn't. Was treated like a scumbag criminal by a BART cop on a power trip getting in my face and shoving me around, ended up with a stiff fine to boot.

I mentioned it because it's a big deal if you're an engineer, give the "wrong" answer, and events escalate.

I've had nothing but problems with Clipper cards and tagging on and off the Caltrain.

Re: Rents are dropping across the US

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Agreed on supply. Might want to look at the 75% of household disposable income or exclude non-workers. Only the best earners get to live in the city. Germany is a relatively equal country. A worker in the capital doesn't get double salary as the same position in the countryside. In fact there is hardly anybody who earns triple as of anybody else in the country. The US is extremely unequal. A position in NYC can pay n…

> In fact there is hardly anybody who earns triple as of anybody else in the country. Bullshit. I live in Germany, there's somewhat less income inequality than the US, but this is a gross exaggeration. A programmer in Munich easily earns triple or more than what someone gets at a random McJob like at Starbucks, also in Munich. The bigger reason for why German rents are lower is simply that they allow for way more hou…

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Re: Rents are dropping across the US

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suburbs are different then rural? I grew up in a suburb and walked and rode my bike everywhere. ran around the streets with friends and got into plenty of trouble skateboarding around town. population between 20-30k.

Many HOAs have rules that require children under the age of 13 to be supervised by an adult when outside the home. Technically this is policy and not law but you could rack up huge fines if you do not supervise your kids. Often times parents trade off and coordinate but it’s still a hassle.

  Many HOAs have rules that require children under the age of 13 to be supervised by an adult when outside the home.
Not remotely the case in the US. There can be common-area usage restrictions (e.g. pool and spa), but they can't constrain anything done off property.

Re: Rents are dropping across the US

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Kids change mindset. Kids love yards. They love the little creek that runs past. I love the safety. Small neighborhood, we all know each other and look out for the kids that run around playing.

Yeah, and then you have to drive them to and from school, they have not much to do unless you drive them and one of you two have to stay home due to all that driving.

I spent my entire childhood in the suburbs and literally never was I driven to/from school except for medical/dental appointments. I walked/biked from first grade until I bought my own car. My experience was typical in my peer group.

Re: Rents are dropping across the US

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> Maybe not so good for those who were especially attached to...the vibrant city life I think it's good for those people too, because urban housing prices will also go down as people move away. It could become more affordable to have that vibrant city life alongside the others who actually want to be there and don't just have to be there. I'd personally be really excited to see Austin's skyrocketing growth and gentri…

Anecdata here. I just rented out my house in Austin last week. We had 14 people vying to sign a lease, and several wanted to bid above the price we are renting for. The real sticker - 10/14 were moving from SF/LA/NY because they can now work from home. Our rent is above market in Austin, but way below what they are used to paying. All that to say, you may see the opposite of a slowdown.

  moving from SF/LA/NY
I bet state and city Income tax was a factor.

Re: Rents are dropping across the US

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> people who live in cities are people who want to live in cities, not people who need to live in cities I'm not under the impression that the droves of techies riding free company shuttle buses from SF to Silicon Valley want to live outside of the city. Maybe that's a uniquely SF thing, as I believe Silicon Valley still employs more tech people than SF, despite SF becoming a tech hub itself post-mobile. People don't…

Single techies live in SF because they want to get laid, and that won't happen on the peninsula. Brutal commute, though.

Get laid?! Wasn't the Bay area the worst place for dating for straight males?

Re: Rents are dropping across the US

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> Maybe not so good for those who were especially attached to either the vibrant city life or busy office life. I don't understand this reasoning. Was city life not vibrant when rents were 1/3rd the price? If anything, "hypergentrification" tends to have a sterilizing effect on city life. To be honest I'm kinda looking forward to it. Nothing against HENRYs (High earners, not rich yet)... but their "cultural tastes" a…

I always find it interesting how the people who are so strongly against the gentrification caused by the apparently bland and one dimensional tech workers are reluctant to move themselves to cheaper mid-sized cities that ostensibly have more “soul” if that’s what they’re looking for.

Maybe because their life, family and friends are in the cities they're in? You can have attachments to the place you live in and resent gentrification at the same time.

Re: Rents are dropping across the US

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Same, man. I'm HENRY for my age (18), and really enjoy my $500 apartment, while parking an ancient Tesla outside it

Only an 18 year old could consider a Tesla ancient.

Shoot I learned to drive on a Ford Bronco that was as old as I was. My friend's mom was still driving an ancient Toyota Tracel until maybe ~3-4 years ago.

Get off my lawn, etc...

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