I don't want a hustler
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I don't want a hustler
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#3I will readily take a business-minded, action-oriented cofounder who gets shit done. I have absolutely no interest in a hustler.
In my mind, that is the absolute definition of a hustler, someone who will get shit done. Predicating that hustlers are sleazy, or have questionable ethics, or don't value technical skill sets is the same as assuming that "hackers" are people who break into computers.
Sure there are probably a lot of sleazy "hustlers", just as their are malicious "hackers", but in my mind the definition of a hustler is someone who comes at the same problem as a good hacker would - with the same tenacity and willingness to try new things and the inability to quit in solving a problem.
In which case I absolutely want a hustler on my team, just not a shitty one.
Admittedly, I've done Micah some disservice by referencing his article. The Hustlers he describes aren't the sleezeballs I keep encountering, but unfortunately they share the same space and a more literal interpretation of the term includes them.
So it sounds like the summary is that good hustlers are hard to come by, just as good hackers are, not that they aren't good to have. The title seems to suggest otherwise.
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#4Edit title: I don't want a hustler, I just want someone with hustle.
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#5Edit title: I want a hustler but can't find one.
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#6The author's definition of hustler seems to be different from mine. http://joeyroth.com/poster/
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#7I will readily take a business-minded, action-oriented cofounder who gets shit done. I have absolutely no interest in a hustler. In my mind, that is the absolute definition of a hustler, someone who will get shit done. Predicating that hustlers are sleazy, or have questionable ethics, or don't value technical skill sets is the same as assuming that "hackers" are people who break into computers. Sure there are probabl…
Hustler both describes enterprising go getters and sleaze ball unscrupulous jerks. The problem is which meaning is more prevalent. I can't think of a single person I would describe with the word hustler and mean it in a positive way. I also wouldn't use the word hacker to refer to myself or any of my respected peers outside of technical circles due to its very negative connotations with non technical folk. While the premise of the hackers and hustlers essay was good the word choice may be poor for the average person. In my experience you end up spending as much time describing the intended use of the words hacker and hustler as you do making the point about determined and talented people. The end result is the point is lost in technicalities.
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#8Edit title: I want a hustler but can't find one.
Upvoted. As I've often heard people say about good UX designers, "I'd also like a unicorn."
Honestly, though, I'm more interested in Hacker/Humanist than Hacker/Hustler. I think a UX person would be a much more valuable partner for me.
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#9The author's definition of hustler seems to be different from mine. http://joeyroth.com/poster/
That's definitely true. Yours is more in line with the intent of Micah's original blog post.
Mine is based on my experiences with the people I meet who intend to fill the role. In theory, your definition should be correct - in practice, the scene is full of people who represent mine. They might be making an unfounded claim to the title, but filtering the network to just the real ones is a nightmare.
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#10The author's definition of hustler seems to be different from mine. http://joeyroth.com/poster/
That's definitely true. Yours is more in line with the intent of Micah's original blog post. Mine is based on my experiences with the people I meet who intend to fill the role. In theory, your definition should be correct - in practice, the scene is full of people who represent mine. They might be making an unfounded claim to the title, but filtering the network to just the real ones is a nightmare.
Ah. Well put. Semantics aside then, that's a bummer. Good luck with your search!