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Re: AWS Snowcone

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Post by slim »

stepstop wrote: post #173
txcwpalpha wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think parent commenter isn't just worried about the e-ink display, but the general fact that the entire device itself is going to be sitting in dirty shipping containers, warehouses, trucks, etc without any kind of covering. I know I've gotten some shipments before that have stains of who-knows-what-liquid soaked into the cardboard. I'm not a germophobe, but even so, this probably isn't a device you want to be hand…

I’m a germaphobe but it’s probably not worse than say reading a postcard, or putting your laptop in an airport bin, or your backpack under an airliner seat where people put their feet

or handling cash money

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Post by TuringNYC »

a012 wrote: post #182
voxic11 wrote: post #172

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S3 Glacier Deep Archive is probably the closest to a tape warehouse, at the standard rate it would cost $99000/month to store 100PB of data. $0.00099 per GB per month * 100,000,000 GB = $99000

You need to account data transfer OUT if you need to get your data from S3. _If_ you could download 100PB data, it'd cost you $1M.

Hopefully it is not stored as one giant object and hopefully your retrieval would be only specific parts (small parts.)

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Post by coredog64 »

claytoneast wrote: post #108

The e-ink display part triggers thoughts of an Amazon of the future that uses entirely reusable boxes to ship things to consumers. Hard plastic containers w/ e-ink labels. Boom, no more millions (billions? trillions?) of cardboard/plastic boxes used to enclose packages. Still millions/billions/trillions of boxes/plastic packaging for the items themselves, but at least the transit envelope would be reusable.

At one point, Amazon was arranging pickups of the boxes if you filled them with charitable donations (clothing?). Probably not 1 for 1, but it’s something.

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Post by anaganisk »

rattray wrote: post #15

Interesting. So you can launch an EC2 instance with 8TB storage in your closet, or handbag, or under the desk at your medical facility, or whatever. I gotta say, sounds kinda fun. Maybe would be handy for serving video content etc on a local network? Or if you have a network of video cameras not connected to the internet, use this for daily/weekly collection of recorded content?

Take look at Synology devices.

Re: AWS Snowcone

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Post by anaganisk »

lukevp wrote: post #3

Is this the beginning of mini self-hosted clouds where the orchestration happens in a web UI but the compute/storage is local? Like a cheap version of Azure Stack? I get that you can’t keep the snowcone, but if you could, it would be a little VM host with local storage on your LAN that could let you run everything internal.

Has no one heard of NAS devices that can run docker containers? Synology Play?

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Post by noisy_boy »

icelancer wrote: post #180
claytoneast wrote: post #108

The e-ink display part triggers thoughts of an Amazon of the future that uses entirely reusable boxes to ship things to consumers. Hard plastic containers w/ e-ink labels. Boom, no more millions (billions? trillions?) of cardboard/plastic boxes used to enclose packages. Still millions/billions/trillions of boxes/plastic packaging for the items themselves, but at least the transit envelope would be reusable.

They tried reusable plastic boxes for Amazon stuff in Seattle years ago. It was a pretty colossal failure. People just kept the plastic boxes and used them for stuff around the house. "Bill the people who keep the plastic boxes," is the oft-heard refrain! What if they're stolen off your porch due to living in a not-great neighborhood? You still owe?

Bill upfront and credit back on return. Amazon shouldn't be responsible for the stealing happening in your neighbourhood.

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Post by thayne »

mrtweetyhack wrote: post #134
Twirrim wrote: post #73

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I can speak to part of the rationality around Snowball: The old method of customers sending in hard disks and AWS importing them turned out to be _incredibly_ high touch. * Customers would put the wrong labels on the wrong drives. Given they were encrypted, and the label details were critical to matching the right disk with the right encryption key, that was a big issue. * Imports would routinely fail due to all sort…

Doesn't solve * Drives would get damaged during shipping. * Stuff would go missing in shipping.

sure it does. the drives are specifically designed to be rugged enough to handle transportation (and are tamper resistant and tamper evident), and I imagine amazon probably uses their own delivery network to transport it, which means if it is lost in shipping, it is amazon's fault (and presumable can be corrected). It also wouldn't surprise me if at least some of the product contain GPS to make it less likely to get lost.

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Post by tener »

ies7 wrote: post #177
ThisIsTheWay wrote: post #69

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For a sense of scale, my company used an AWS Snowmobile to transfer 100PB of archived satellite imagery to AWS. More details here: https://blog.maxar.com/earth-intelligence/2017/digitalglobe-...

For a sense of the world, I went to Manila in 2018 to find out why there are several distributor can only sent their data weekly. One of the distributor show me a 64 MB usb flashdisk that’s travelled every week with the delivery truck to get 4 MB of data from their branches (8 hours truck driving from the capital) Went to Myanmar in 2017. The nation is just upgrading to 4G in 2016. But not every places have 4G covera…

Why not satellite internet then?

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Post by romanovcode »

aketchum wrote: post #13

I must not interact with big enough data to understand, but what is the point of this? I have watched/read several of the Snow product descriptions from AWS and I am still not quite sure I understand the point. It seems like a way to sync local big data to AWS cloud storage for data that is too large to realistically transfer via the internet. So is this simply a sneakernet external harddrive because physically shipp…

> So is this simply a sneakernet external harddrive because physically shipping an 8TB hard drive has better bandwidth than using the internet?

Yeah. When you have to migrate 100TB data from your own data store to AWS it is much easier and practical to just send the drives. They even help you with that, for a price of course.

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