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Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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Anybody that trusts zoom with anything even slightly sensitive these days is completely nuts. Yes, we know its easy to use.

99% of people do not care about privacy. They won't switch programs because a nation state might spy on them.

It looks like many Americans do now.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23424245

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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I absolutely hate the term virtue signalling. It's always reductive and dismissive. If I am willing to go a LITTLE out of my way to protect my privacy, but not a LOT out of my way, am I "just virtue signalling"? If I continue to use a privacy-less platform (e.g. zoom/instagram/facebook) but just exercise caution with what I say using that medium, is that also "just virtue signalling"? I agree, evidence shows most peo…

https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/stop-saying-virtue-signalling

Attempting to remove a word or phrase is exactly the kind of impractical behavior I expect from a virtue signaler. And with the annoyingly pedantic reasoning about how it's not technically signaling they way economists use the term is just the cherry on top. Virtue signaling is real, so is the misuse of the term, like every other, but so what.

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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99% of people do not care about privacy. They won't switch programs because a nation state might spy on them.

Zoom is being used by at least one court system for remote hearings. Their barebones IT people are completely incapable of independently verifying Zoom's encryption claims.

Would they use Jitsi if it was fully managed for them and free?

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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The goodwill has already been squandered. There’s simply nowhere else to jump to (jitsi lol). As soon as a viable competitor launches, everyone will jump. Same thing happened from Skype to Discord with the gaming community.

Jitsi Meet's not a viable competitor? It's simpler to set up (accounts and password protection are optional), IMO easier to use (eg. the hand button is on the bottom bar with mute, etc. and not in a menu labeled "Participants") and higher quality according to the New York Times, who deemed it "reliable and easy to use": https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-video-confer... . I've introduced it to extended f…

The name Jitsi is a disadvantage.

I'm not being facetious. If you compare the name Zoom to Jitsi, people will choose Zoom 9 out of 10 times. You won't get many people to even try Jitsi.

Zoom is quickly becoming a verb similar to what Skype used to be. Let's Skype. Let's Zoom. Everyone understands what that means.

Let's Jitsi... Let's what?

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

#397

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I absolutely hate the term virtue signalling. It's always reductive and dismissive. If I am willing to go a LITTLE out of my way to protect my privacy, but not a LOT out of my way, am I "just virtue signalling"? If I continue to use a privacy-less platform (e.g. zoom/instagram/facebook) but just exercise caution with what I say using that medium, is that also "just virtue signalling"? I agree, evidence shows most peo…

https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/stop-saying-virtue-signalling

That article gives such a bad argument that I feel I have now become more pro using the term than before. All of the arguments have huge exceptions or contradict each other.

Signaling being a term used by some niche fields. We have that happen all the time. It’s how language evolves.

The article says to use show off instead of virtue signaling. Right after the next argument is assuming the person is disingenuous. Which is exactly what you’re doing if you say they’re showing off. The two arguments can’t both be used. They are arguments against different things.

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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99% of people do not care about privacy. They won't switch programs because a nation state might spy on them.

It looks like many Americans do now. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23424245

That’s a drop in the bucket. A spike of a couple thousand downloads is a rounding error to the big platforms.

Downloading of Signal doesn’t signify privacy concerns. I have Signal because others do. Not because I care about signal’s privacy.

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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Zoom is being used by at least one court system for remote hearings. Their barebones IT people are completely incapable of independently verifying Zoom's encryption claims.

Would they use Jitsi if it was fully managed for them and free?

How many people want to deal with an inferior product? I used Jitsi for over a year. There’s no deal breaker. But so many little or medium issues with how inferior it is to Zoom. It’s a hard ask (outside specific vocal minorities online)

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

#400

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If I had to decide the official comms app for my employer, I'd be wary of Google, due to their poor track record with comms apps.

Meet is a GSuite product, and the only video-conferencing app in GSuite. Google doesn't fuck with GSuite.

except AppMaker
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