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Polyphasic sleep takes napping to the extreme

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> He went from 45 minute sleep to 6 hour sleep in the course of two days. That must have been the happiest days of your life!

> That must have been the happiest days of your life! We woke up and thought he had died. 10 minutes later everything was awesome.

Had that exact same experience.

I’ll never forget that morning. Waking up with the sun up and immediately thinking the worst, then exuberant joy when figuring out he was fine, just sleeping well for the first time ever.

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Used to work on a cement tugboat, 12 hour days 28 days a time. Unfortunately, it wasn't 12 on 12 off, it was 6 x 6 x 6 x 6. Meaning you could rarely get more than 4.5 hours of sleep at one time for the whole hitch. Depending on if the Captain had it out for you or what your route demanded, your sleep schedule could be even more irregular. It felt unsustainable to me. You'd come off the boat a zombie, and in just 12 d…

Why couldn't you just work 12 hour shifts instead of 6 hour ones? Honestly, 6 hours on, 6 off sounds like complete hell to me.

It sounds like a variation on a six-hour shift system. Any seagoing vessel with a crew complement of 2 or more sailors is going to try to have one portion of the crew at work at all times. Skimming [1] I didn't see a 6-on/6-off system, but I believe, the skipper has the last word even when asleep.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchkeeping#Six_Hour_Shift

Re: Polyphasic sleep takes napping to the extreme

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Having tried doing a polyphasic sleep cycle around four years ago, the one thing that I really missed was the clear delineation between days. On a normal sleep schedule, you wrap up your day with an evening routine and begin the next day with another routine. Each day is a single discrete unit you can look back on and remember easily. On a polyphasic schedule each day blends into the next. It’s like one long neverending day. You can’t really do most normal social activities because you need to adhere to a strict napping schedule. At first it’s cool to be awake at 3am when the rest of your world is asleep. But eventually it’s just a pain to not be able to go to stores or the gym or whatever until after your next nap. Looking back, it’s harder to remember any specific details about the experience. I know I did it to get a ton of work done on a project I was deep into at the time, but outside of the late nights and extreme tiredness from the beginning of it, I can’t remember much. The value of a long night’s rest for solidifying memories, at least anecdotally for me, can’t be understated. Other things like scheduling meals, managing sunlight and your obligations to others when you need to sleep, require a bit of forethought. Life’s just much easier on a “normal” sleep schedule. Polyphasic will drive you nuts.

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Years ago I tried this, after having read a lot about it, trying multiple times, hard, as I was determined to get more done on things that were important to me. I can be very self-disciplined and almost fell asleep dropping to the floor while standing at one point. For a while I thought it helped me get more done. Today I have health problems (CFS), and these attempts at the polyphasic or "uberman" sleep cycle (~28 m…

I think alternative sleep schedules are like alternative medicine. If they were actually feasible and beneficial, they would be commonplace, and even recommended. Especially considering how often posts like this come up here, there is obviously a high level of interest.

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Is there any research done on either (1) the net productivity difference between extreme polysleep (e.g. Uberman) or (2) the long-term health effects of sustained extreme polysleep?

Also, it seems like Uberman gives you an increase in available time at the cost of a significant amount of cognitive ability. If you subscribe to the Deep Work hypothesis (which I do), such a trade is extremely undesirable, even ignoring any potential health issues.

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I am a long-term polyphasic sleeper. I've just always been this way. I have been told stories that as an infant I drove my family nuts with my lack of a need to sleep.

Now, I am 43 (in a few days), and polyphasic sleep has become a bit harder on me. Now, I am averaging between 2.5-3.5 hours each day but the real issue is if I get woken up. Example: a smoke detector goes off in the middle of the night. I can't go back to sleep because I will oversleep now. I am somewhat foggy for several hours after something like this.

Also, the opposite has been happening. I am on HRT and taking estrogen injections. On the day of my injection until about 2 days after I can not sleep. My body just won't allow it. Estrogen dominance has taken over. I am routinely up for 42-46 hours before my body gives in and demands sleep. I sleep 2-3 hours and I am awake. Not feeling replenished as I should and sometimes I feel like I need to be left alone for a long period of time so I don't inadvertently snap at my wife or children.

I'm happy to talk about whatever, AMA.

Re: Polyphasic sleep takes napping to the extreme

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I am a long-term polyphasic sleeper. I've just always been this way. I have been told stories that as an infant I drove my family nuts with my lack of a need to sleep. Now, I am 43 (in a few days), and polyphasic sleep has become a bit harder on me. Now, I am averaging between 2.5-3.5 hours each day but the real issue is if I get woken up. Example: a smoke detector goes off in the middle of the night. I can't go back…

wow. maybe there are basic bio differences, and one shouldn't try to force oneself into this pattern... (WRT my comment elsewhere here.)

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I am a long-term polyphasic sleeper. I've just always been this way. I have been told stories that as an infant I drove my family nuts with my lack of a need to sleep. Now, I am 43 (in a few days), and polyphasic sleep has become a bit harder on me. Now, I am averaging between 2.5-3.5 hours each day but the real issue is if I get woken up. Example: a smoke detector goes off in the middle of the night. I can't go back…

wow. maybe there are basic bio differences, and one shouldn't try to force oneself into this pattern... (WRT my comment elsewhere here.)

I sleep about 2 hours (say 2:30am - 4:30am) and I want a 1 hour nap when my kids go down for a nap. It's not a standard pattern that you might read about, IIRC.

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Incidentally, I've been sleeping polyphasically for some time now. Of course, there have been no real studies done on polyphasic sleep and it must be taken on anecdotal evidence alone. However, I don't feel any ill effects after a year. My schedule is tamer than others, however; the Everyman 2 consists of a 4.5 hour core sleep and two 20 minute naps [0]. Schedules like Uberman (six 20 minute naps equidistant in time, every 4 hours), Dymaxion, Tesla, and other nap-only sleeps do not seem to be stable, at least for most people who are not genetically mutated to sleep less [1].

There are quite some pros as well, such as more time for one; instantly falling asleep (got rid of my insomnia); removal of substances such as alcohol, marijuana, and caffeinated drinks like coffee; and lucid dreams with nearly every sleep. The latter is very useful for me as I can test out ideas in dreams and see how they could fare, a sort of omnipotent virtual reality.

The fact that many think polyphasic sleep is only Uberman or other nap-based schedules with ~2 hour total sleep time is disappointing to see. There are other schedules on that site that are far tamer, such as Everyman 1: sleep 6 hours at night, one 20-min nap during the day, which you could do on a lunch break. There are whole gradations from 9 hours (two 4.5 hour sleeps, not necessarily reduction of total sleep time, but it gives better sleep for some) to Uberman or Tesla (~2 hour total sleep time), which by the way is not known to be stable over a longer time period, a fact that the polyphasic community willingly accepts.

It is particularly disappointing to see because, as another commenter said, I'd like to see more research on sleep and perhaps synthesizing its effects into a compound, but if people dismiss these alternate sleep schedules, we may not fully understand what the brain is doing during sleep, as fewer researchers are incentivized to study it, thinking it's just BS, which hurts the field overall.

I do wonder though if the main advantages of polyphasic sleep are that it enforces a more rigid structure than monophasic sleep; if you miss a nap, or you oversleep, you're done for. If one could enforce the same level of scheduling in monophasic sleep, I wonder if they wouldn't have the same advantage of increased time. It's too easy to make excuses with monophasic sleep however, saying that you'll just sleep after one more drink / turn of a game / line of code, so polyphasic sleep acts as an enforcer of such a schedule, and here is where its true strength lies.

Communities I've found helpful are r/polyphasic, and its related Discord server. There are many examples there of successful polyphasic sleepers who've maintained their (non Uberman or Dymaxion) schedules for years at a time. In particular, the user GeneralNguyen is a great resource.

[0] https://polyphasic.net/schedules/everyman/

[1] https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/gene-id...

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Everybody's situation is different but in our case we did sleep training around 4 months and we had whole night sleep from then on - with a few minor regressions and a bit more training. My wife found letting the baby cry out very difficult so I did have to be quite firm about it... But my daughter is 8 now and doesn't seem the worse for it ... As far as I can tell. Edit: only mentioning this in case anyone is in des…

Sleep training, so that's what they call it now. My mom tells me it was standard practice back when I was born, they used to say it was good for their lungs as well, but she couldn't do it either. They will eventually shut down in self-defense to escape the terror of being abandoned by their parents. All I can say is it doesn't sound like a very good idea to me, no matter how convenient.

How much crying without being tended to do you think is terrifying?

Most sleep training I have seen says to let them cry for up to 15 minutes before getting them.

We usually let ours cry for up to 5 minutes before picking her up. She would rarely cry for more than a minute or two before just falling asleep.

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