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Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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Post by admax88q »

skrebbel wrote: post #18
rootsudo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoom is evil. Also, fun note - just noticed Eric Yuan posted that and also created Zoom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Yuan Eric S. Yuan (Chinese: 袁征; pinyin: Yuán Zhēng; born 1970) is a Chinese-American billionaire businessman, and the CEO and founder of Zoom Video Communications, of which he owns 22%. No wonder why they have to play party with CCP.

Wait, your point is that Zoom is evil because the founder is Chinese?

Yeah what the fuck, that was some weird casual racism you don't expect to see on HN.

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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Post by xwowsersx »

crazygringo wrote: post #21
rootsudo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoom is evil. Also, fun note - just noticed Eric Yuan posted that and also created Zoom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Yuan Eric S. Yuan (Chinese: 袁征; pinyin: Yuán Zhēng; born 1970) is a Chinese-American billionaire businessman, and the CEO and founder of Zoom Video Communications, of which he owns 22%. No wonder why they have to play party with CCP.

Unfortunately, I have to post this comment again, from just 3 days ago [1]. Also remember that Eric Yuan is an American citizen, not a Chinese citizen. He switched. Original comment: When will this meme die? Zoom is NOT a Chinese company. It is incorporated in and headquartered in the US. Like any American company ever, it follows US laws in the US, and local laws in other companies where it operates. End of story. Y…

How is it racist to suggest that Zoom has Chinese influences (seemingly not farfetched based on the equity ownership mentioned above and not at all disputed based on the technicality of Zoom being a US company)?

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

#33

Post by rootsudo »

skrebbel wrote: post #18
rootsudo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoom is evil. Also, fun note - just noticed Eric Yuan posted that and also created Zoom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Yuan Eric S. Yuan (Chinese: 袁征; pinyin: Yuán Zhēng; born 1970) is a Chinese-American billionaire businessman, and the CEO and founder of Zoom Video Communications, of which he owns 22%. No wonder why they have to play party with CCP.

Wait, your point is that Zoom is evil because the founder is Chinese?

While I understand that on the surface seems "bad", you have to understand the CCP taps into people worldwide, and while I don't know his position per se, or finances -- or connection with China today.

It doesn't paint a great picture, especially with espionage and CCP tactics. Look at previous German and USA interference w/ GE, Bosch, -- it's the same story.

Except now it's highlight as "bad" to point out that connection.

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

#34

Post by throwaway9482 »

skrebbel wrote: post #18
rootsudo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoom is evil. Also, fun note - just noticed Eric Yuan posted that and also created Zoom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Yuan Eric S. Yuan (Chinese: 袁征; pinyin: Yuán Zhēng; born 1970) is a Chinese-American billionaire businessman, and the CEO and founder of Zoom Video Communications, of which he owns 22%. No wonder why they have to play party with CCP.

Wait, your point is that Zoom is evil because the founder is Chinese?

A lot of Chinese values are at odds with American values. Someone who is genuinely pro-Chinese values threatens things we often take for granted here in America

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

#35

Post by tw04 »

crazygringo wrote: post #21
rootsudo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoom is evil. Also, fun note - just noticed Eric Yuan posted that and also created Zoom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Yuan Eric S. Yuan (Chinese: 袁征; pinyin: Yuán Zhēng; born 1970) is a Chinese-American billionaire businessman, and the CEO and founder of Zoom Video Communications, of which he owns 22%. No wonder why they have to play party with CCP.

Unfortunately, I have to post this comment again, from just 3 days ago [1]. Also remember that Eric Yuan is an American citizen, not a Chinese citizen. He switched. Original comment: When will this meme die? Zoom is NOT a Chinese company. It is incorporated in and headquartered in the US. Like any American company ever, it follows US laws in the US, and local laws in other companies where it operates. End of story. Y…

Really? And which part of "local law" required Zoom to close accounts of US citizens in the US who weren't breaking any US Laws?

https://news.sky.com/story/zoom-disables-accounts-of-chinese...

>The suspension targeted Humanitarian China, an organisation based in the US, after it held a call with roughly 250 people, including a number who dialled in from China.

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

#36

Post by thoraway1010 »

crazygringo wrote: post #21
rootsudo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoom is evil. Also, fun note - just noticed Eric Yuan posted that and also created Zoom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Yuan Eric S. Yuan (Chinese: 袁征; pinyin: Yuán Zhēng; born 1970) is a Chinese-American billionaire businessman, and the CEO and founder of Zoom Video Communications, of which he owns 22%. No wonder why they have to play party with CCP.

Unfortunately, I have to post this comment again, from just 3 days ago [1]. Also remember that Eric Yuan is an American citizen, not a Chinese citizen. He switched. Original comment: When will this meme die? Zoom is NOT a Chinese company. It is incorporated in and headquartered in the US. Like any American company ever, it follows US laws in the US, and local laws in other companies where it operates. End of story. Y…

Let's be 100% clear.

Based on a complaint from china regarding non-Chinese citizens with non-china accounts, zoom cancelled the non-china accounts.

Full stop. Let that sink in.

If you are wondering who zoom will accommodate you have your answer. This is a fact. This is what we are calling "racism"?

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

#37

Post by maxmcd »

crazygringo wrote: post #21
rootsudo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoom is evil. Also, fun note - just noticed Eric Yuan posted that and also created Zoom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Yuan Eric S. Yuan (Chinese: 袁征; pinyin: Yuán Zhēng; born 1970) is a Chinese-American billionaire businessman, and the CEO and founder of Zoom Video Communications, of which he owns 22%. No wonder why they have to play party with CCP.

Unfortunately, I have to post this comment again, from just 3 days ago [1]. Also remember that Eric Yuan is an American citizen, not a Chinese citizen. He switched. Original comment: When will this meme die? Zoom is NOT a Chinese company. It is incorporated in and headquartered in the US. Like any American company ever, it follows US laws in the US, and local laws in other companies where it operates. End of story. Y…

Defending something as "NOT a Chinese company" or not a Chinese citizen (as if those would allow certain assumptions about the actions of individuals) is still xenophobic framing. People are people and are capable of independent thought and actions.

We can be upset at power structures and at their effects. Taking that further to make assumptions about groups of people is racist.

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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Post by pesfandiar »

m-p-3 wrote: post #27
skrebbel wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, your point is that Zoom is evil because the founder is Chinese?

Because of its inevitable ties and implicit subservience to the CCP.

The only "relevant" information found in the quote in the GP comment is the nationality of the CEO. How does one jump from the CEO's nationality to inevitable ties and implicit subservience to CCP?

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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Post by topher200 »

vulcan01 wrote: post #10

This is the same company that said that it "won't encrypt free calls so it can work more with law enforcement"[1]. I'd stay away. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23399924

This blog post specifically says that it's a walk-back of the policy announced in your link.
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