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For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by 29athrowaway »

hef19898 wrote: post #524
29athrowaway wrote: post #481

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Most people do not know about the different Jewish peoples enough to recognize them. If you ask me to distinguish between Sephardim and Spaniards, or between an Ashkenazim and broadly European people, I will probably fail at that task. Most people will be unsuspecting that you are Jewish, and even if they realize that you are Jewish, they will not think much about it. Perhaps they will ask you if you have any dietary…

Unfortunately, that is not always the case. Sure, I don't know if I ever worked with jewish people in my life. Reason being, that religion never came up ever . But as soon as jews don't blend in, either by traditional hair cuts or clothing, or by virtue of being at a synagoge, things are different. We still have enough anti-semitic incidents in Germany to actually be worried. I once worked with a guy who insulted a c…

The article was about Silicon Valley so I was referring to that. Must also be true for large tech hubs like NYC and Seattle.

The situation outside those tech hubs can be very different.

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Post by benmw333 »

stevula wrote: post #400
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What I find interesting among the woke crowd (white leftys): they believe any claim a black person makes - especially when it is "their experience." They don't question what that person says - because they are black. It is particularly interesting that the education system is actively teaching our youth - especially black youth - that racism is prevalent today. Teaching young people that they are hated by others (alb…

It’s remarkable that some people would rather believe an entire race has a victim complex than that they might be facing a legitimate injustice.

There is zero evidence supporting the claim that racism is prevalent - widespread in the US in 2020. None. Zip. Zero. Racism is not the majority. It is amazing to me that people are getting duped into this race war... all at the benefit of the powerful and political elite.

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Post by scooble »

hef19898 wrote: post #674
scooble wrote: post #664

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Racially motivated murders, which the article is about, are hate crimes. As such, they are prosecuted as hate crimes in the UK. The calculation I made was from official figures. A smaller percentage of a larger demographic can make up a large percentage of the total. Even if you want to ignore every number except your 25%, those white victims of racially motivated hate crimes presumably exist, do they not?

I go with official government numbers first in cases like that. period. And what makes you think police forgot to include the murders you mentioned in the official numbers? Not some calculation I cannot follw. Not press reports. And unless you go and read the official report (there is even a spreadsheet, so you can use prime sources directly), I gonna stop now.

The police did include the murders in the official statistics . I think the problem here is that you don't understand the data you quoted and how it relates to the demographics of the UK.

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Post by newen »

joshuaissac wrote: post #692
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> everyone self-identifies as an expat Of course they do. The question is how does everyone around you see you. It does make a bit of a difference if the job lead to switching countries (mostly "expat"), or switching country lead to getting a job (mostly "immigrant"). But this detail is buried pretty deep, people will most likely first find out where you're from (by asking, or accent, etc.) and that will determine th…

> It does make a bit of a difference if the job lead to switching countries (mostly "expat"), or switching country lead to getting a job (mostly "immigrant"). Does this distinction actually exist in how people use the words "expat" and "immigrant"? A lot of the time, immigrants will have accepted their job offers already before entering the country, and if they did not switch countries, they would have the same kind…

Yeah, you don't get a tourist visa and then get a job in a country. That's illegal in almost all countries. Usually, you get a job, get a work visa sponsored by the company, and then eventually get permanent residence, then citizenship.

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Post by DagAgren »

textgel wrote: post #706
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Feel free to provide me wrong by showing a non-libertarian source that takes this term seriously.

Appeal to authority (points for variety at least) is a logical fallacy that I literally pointed out earlier.

You really don't understand how logical fallacies work at all, do you.

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

buran77 wrote: post #665
evrydayhustling wrote: post #623

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> Are they unconsciously racist or are they just following experience-based heuristics? Both! Today's discussion about racism isn't (mainly) about critiquing the motivations in peoples' deepest heart. It's about acknowledging that the outcomes of this kind of assumption can be racist, regardless of whether any harm was intended. The person who is assumed to be subordinate, or less educated, or more prone to criminali…

In general people who never suffered from this kind of profiling have a hard time understanding what's the problem. "I just called him a rapper". No, you just profiled someone who is sick and tired of being profiled. So the examples meant to convey the message better have to be a bit exaggerated. Imagine calling every white, bald guy "a neo-nazi". A reasonable person who just didn't get the problem suddenly finds the…

> In general people who never suffered from this kind of profiling have a hard time understanding what's the problem

I'm assuming you're directing this towards me since you mentioned my example. I am myself a minority. Do you realize that you just racially profiled me based on my opinion?

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Post by ravenstine »

taurath wrote: post #417
ravenstine wrote: post #167

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> Her entire argument frames race relations within the context of the workplace which is problematic because her approach is coercive, not educational. It's also problematic because the workplace inherently has an underlying adversarial quality that can provide a never-ending supply of "microaggressions" and various forms of otherings that effectively sow more division than actually get non-whites anywhere. The autho…

> It's also problematic because the workplace inherently has an underlying adversarial quality that can provide a never-ending supply of "microaggressions" Its also the only place in adulthood where people willingly or unwillingly must work together with people different than them and not necessarily of their choosing to reach a common goal.

Even that common goal often ends up being an IRL McGuffin when the real point for most people is to get paid. For some, reaching that goal may be counter to their employment or workplace comfort. The common goal may not actually be so common, especially if the means to reach that goal elevates some over others, which almost certainly will happen in any hierarchy.

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Post by newen »

charlesu wrote: post #319
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Have you tried applying for Global Entry? That may end your torment. Just a thought.

So he should pay to be treated with dignity at the airport?

If I could pay some money to not be subjected to that, I would do it instead of waiting for systemic racism to end.

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Post by dragonwriter »

southphillyman wrote: post #634
ibudiallo wrote: post #140

I usually choose to believe in "the honest mistake". It happens, two people walk in, one of them is the CEO, you assume it is the one on the right. And then when you realize it is a mistake, you apologize. We are only human. But when it happens over and over and over, you can't help but feel frustrated. You realize that people natural instinct is to think you are the subordinate. One second your are on stage at Techc…

>You wouldn't believe how lonely it is. In my team of 150 people, we were two black people. Almost a decade in the industry and I have never worked with another black developer. One time I was on a team with a black project manager who use to be a developer but that's it. For all the pushback on diversity recruiting I appreciate events like Google sandbox that remind me that we do exist and present opportunities to n…

> Almost a decade in the industry and I have never worked with another black developer.

Working in technology in the public sector, where women and racial/ethnic minorities underrepresented in technology as a whole are generally less underepresented than is generally the case, I've worked with...two others, in a similar time frame.

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Post by Reedx »

DagAgren wrote: post #606
avs733 wrote: post #357

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I find it interesting you choose the word 'explanation' as opposed to 'counter argument'

He also chose the word "kafkatrap", a word coined by a notorious racist.

It describes a fallacy and have no idea who coined it. First learned of it on HN, actually.

You don't know who coined "coined", but they may well have been a racist. Are you going to stop using it if so? Does that mean it's no longer useful for communication? Are you going to investigate every word on the chance it might've been and strike those from the lexicon?

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