Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution • Hacker News Board

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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Post by non-entity » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 2:51 PM UTC

padseeker wrote: post #35

I'm all for diversity in thought - typically though this kind of thing gets flagged on HN. After 9/11, invasion of Afghanistan and both Iraq wars there were songs banned from the radio and people were thrown out of malls for wearing t-shirts that were anti-war. Conservatives were all for that or had little to say about stifling free speech concerns. The argument was its private property and companies can do what they…

> Conservatives were all for that or had little to say about stifling free speech concerns. The argument was its private property and companies can do what they want

No one is actually principled. They just use these sort of ideals as a convenient talking point when it supports what they want, and it's not just Republicans.

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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Post by happytoexplain » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 2:51 PM UTC

alreadydeleted wrote: post #11

sammaeliam wrote: post #2

If this is really the problem conservatives claim it is, there's a simple solution: Get a backbone and delete your social media accounts. Most platforms (unlike HN) provide account deletion functions (though some keep them well-hidden).

Most of us moderates were shamed off social media years ago. I locked myself out of my HN account because I was tired of being flame baited by Woke tyrants. Don't use Facebook, don't use Twitter. This new ideology seems more popular than it is because the sane people have left the internet. Most of us keep quiet about this stuff because any wrong think will end our careers. Congrats, Woke people. You'll never know th…

You claim to be a moderate, but you speak as though you are quite politically biased, and emotionally so (though I can only go on tone here, since you didn't give specific examples). Lately there is a lot of usage of the word "moderate" to simply mean "I have clearly left or right ideologies, but want to sound like I'm above the rabble", and you should consider this pitfall.

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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Post by asdfman123 » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 2:52 PM UTC

montagg wrote: post #13

BitwiseFool wrote: post #8

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This strikes me as awfully glib. My parents aren't racists and they empathize with the police reforms that BLM is advocating for (so do I). But they were raised with the belief that racism was due to prejudice. To them, racism is judging someone by their skin color / background rather than the actions of that individual. They don't buy into the idea of microaggressions and implicit bias. To many nowadays that makes t…

We're absolutely doing things that future generations will find abhorrent. And as our thinking as humans evolves, I hope we'll also change our behavior. But let's not make the perfect the enemy of the good. When we are aware that behaviors and symbols are hurtful to other humans, and we genuinely believe that other people should be able to live without fear, then we should change both. We're not going to get it 100%…

That's why I can never be a conservative. I think sometimes the left is absolutely full of it, but the voices I hear from the right sound as if they're saying "let's do nothing about our current social problems," at least to my ear.

I'd rather have imperfect progress than no progress.

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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Post by downerending » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 2:52 PM UTC

codq wrote: post #37

downerending wrote: post #32

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To have an opposing view in 2020 is to risk being beaten. Advise keeping your head down and your mouth shut.

To have an opposing view so toxic, amoral, and ethically vapid to risk being beaten, is to risk being beaten. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence. Advise practicing empathy.

You're saying that anyone who gets beaten for their opinion had it coming?

Truly we live in evil times.

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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Post by ihm » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 2:53 PM UTC

aebtebeten wrote: post #30

ihm wrote: post #6

This is absurd. The New York Times opinion section is primarily for right-of-center opinions that support the ruling class. They let in center left and actually left ones from time to time to be able to claim it isn’t. They went a little too far right on this one for their readership. Have you ever seen an op-ed in the Times with a communist perspective on current affairs? To those who think I am being hyperbolic, he…

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What does Putin have to do with anything? He runs a country that is not remotely communist (since at least 1991, nearly thirty years ago, last I checked)

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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Post by asdfman123 » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 2:55 PM UTC

ativzzz wrote: post #4

asdfman123 wrote: post #3

Not being racist seems to be an awfully hard adjustment for some people. Don't worry, a generation or two will die off and it won't seem quite so onerous.

Pretty sure that's what they were saying in the 60s as well

Yes, exactly. And do you know of any people of color who want to go back to the sixties in America?

Change is uncomfortable but necessary.

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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Post by uranusjr » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 2:55 PM UTC

The article has good points, but all of them summed up times 10 is still child’s play compared to the Cultural Revolution proper. I’m sorry, but this kind of sensational labelling is exactly the one thing Americans don’t need right now, and it’s a shame since, again, the article does have many good points.

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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Post by happytoexplain » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 2:58 PM UTC

blueflow wrote: post #20

Pfhreak wrote: post #18

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Maybe you aren't a moderate? I mean, you literally are calling anyone who participates in the internet these days insane. That hardly scans as a moderate take.

I'm with him - the internet somehow works as competition for who is most extreme. Sane, healthy people neither have the need nor the time to engage with this.

Consider that I couldn't agree more with your statement, yet to me, the GP post sounds exactly like (one side of) the extremists we're discussing.

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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Post by padseeker » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 2:59 PM UTC

sbmthakur wrote: post #15

> Sacramento Kings play-by-play announcer Grant Napear, who’s been calling games since 1988, was forced to resign after saying the words “all lives matter.” I thought 'All lives matter' was commonsense.

"All Lives Matter" taken literally totally is compatible with "Black Lives Matter". However "All Lives Matter" when said is not meant literally. No one said all livers matter until someone said "Black Lives Matters". It's an attempt to shut down "Black Lives Matter". And the opposite of "Black Lives Matter" isn't the opposite of "All Lives Matter", the opposite is Black Lives Don't Matter, which is what is happening when so many black people are killed by the police and no one says or does anything. Looking at the evidence how black people are treated by law enforcement as well as the legal system, that they are treated as less than equal.

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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Post by non-entity » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 2:59 PM UTC

s9w wrote: post #39

ryandvm wrote: post #36

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It's really annoying to me that Hacker News is the forum which I regard as having the highest bar for conversational civility, but sadly the community completely refuses to discuss anything besides tech news and startup cheerleading.

I cannot attest to that at all. A good portion of all highly voted submissions were against the rules in the last two weeks and not tech at all.

Not even just the submissions, these sort of articles end up in discussions that break majority of thr In Comments guidelines, shattering any illusions that HN is somehow superior to everywhere else on the internet.

IMO, I don't think the articles should neccesarily be flagged, as the rules seem kinda loosely interpreted on this stuff, but more of the comments should probably be flagged than get so.