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Can you think of others? Maybe sports?

Charities. Church. Musical groups. Schools (PTA, etc). Local government.

None of those places is a literal requirement for sustenance, but you do need to work somewhere, and for most people, that somewhere is anywhere that will take you.

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I don't share the exact same opinions as you, but I can understand where you're coming from. All I can say is, leave Hacker News and find communities of nicer people to talk to who won't down vote you for speaking your mind.

The might even engage in civil, polite conversation with you. It worked for me. I never post here anymore (I created this throwaway account because it's better for my career to appear squeaky-clean and woke).

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One of the things that confuses me quite a bit is the focus on laws that expired or have been abrogated 50-60-70-150 years ago and make it as if everything wrong with contemporary American society is caused directly by such laws and nothing else. * GI Bill: adopted in 1944, expired in 1956. * Social Security: adopted in 1935, unclear what the impacts were at the time. Unclear what the impacts are today. * Redlining:…

Maybe you don't understand it because its so obvious to you but your "solution" basically involves all black people becoming migrants (at least within the borders of the US) and starting from scratch again. Now lets assume this is the perfect solution. Why would this method be so effective? What leaves black people and the communities they live in in such a bad condition that they have to get away from it? It takes d…

All black people in USA? Or just poor people who haven't been lucky enough to break away from past injustices? Seems like rich and powerful people who are black are doing just fine??

Lots of people in the middle income brackets seem no worse off than other people too.

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I usually choose to believe in "the honest mistake". It happens, two people walk in, one of them is the CEO, you assume it is the one on the right. And then when you realize it is a mistake, you apologize. We are only human. But when it happens over and over and over, you can't help but feel frustrated. You realize that people natural instinct is to think you are the subordinate. One second your are on stage at Techc…

>You wouldn't believe how lonely it is. In my team of 150 people, we were two black people.

Almost a decade in the industry and I have never worked with another black developer. One time I was on a team with a black project manager who use to be a developer but that's it. For all the pushback on diversity recruiting I appreciate events like Google sandbox that remind me that we do exist and present opportunities to network.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Charities. Church. Musical groups. Schools (PTA, etc). Local government.

None of those places is a literal requirement for sustenance, but you do need to work somewhere, and for most people, that somewhere is anywhere that will take you.

Pedantically you are mostly correct. Practically I'm not convinced your distinction is useful.

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I am Jewish. This gives me no insight into what it is to be black in America. But it does give me some insight into what it is to be a minority in America. I have an inkling of your loneliness and you have my profound sympathy. I wish everyone could experience what it is to be a minority in some, any, aspect of their identity to the extent that it might provide them some empathy for others. (I also never realized wha…

Where do you live? I have no idea what it's like to be Jewish but I have Jewish friends and have had Jewish bosses. I couldn't tell them apart from any other white people in the area. If they hadn't told me they were Jewish I'd never have known nor cared. I certainly didn't treat them different. At what point are we all just different? I can't meet people that are into my particular hobby. I also go to clubs and bars…

So in America in the 21st century, white Jews are treated pretty much like any other white person. I would say that there are some subtle cultural things that make me feel a bit "other", though. For example, sports teams called the "Crusaders": In the Jewish collective memory, the Crusades were an awful time. Crusaders rampaged through many Jewish communities, murdering many thousand of Jewish people and destroying the Jewish communities in several cities (cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland_massacres, among others). There are historical records of Jews committing suicide in anticipation of the Crusaders reaching their cities. Hearing about basketball teams called "The Crusaders" really surprised me -- did these people not know what the Crusaders did?

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There's also the works of Thomas Sowell. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=thomas+sowell

I found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rweblFwt-BM He calls climate science a "racket". Why are you encouraging people to listen to him?

Just because you don't agree with everything he says doesn't mean he's not worth reading :)

Don't judge a book by its cover, nor a man by his edgiest quotes.

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Perhaps nobody said it explicitly, but when you see a difference in outcome, computer scientists are mostly men for example, and draw the conclusion that there must be discrimination and stereotyping then you indirectly say that it can’t be due to difference in preferences. Also, I would think that the person that claims discrimination would have the burden of proof.

> Perhaps nobody said it explicitly, but when you see a difference in outcome, computer scientists are mostly men for example, and draw the conclusion that there must be discrimination and stereotyping then you indirectly say that it can’t be due to difference in preferences. Well yes, if stereotypes or discrimination play any role it at all in career selection, it rules out the possibility that the highly variable r…

If stereotypes were a major factor wouldn’t progressive countries like Sweden have more female physicists and programmers than a traditionalist gender role stronghold like Russia? In reality it’s the opposite.

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>Black Americans have watched a completely different and profoundly more compassionate response to the white people affected by the opioid epidemic than they experienced in the crack/cocaine epidemic https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/crack-h... . https://thewitnessbcc.com/crack-epidemic-opioid-crisis-race-... . Great post and you brought up a few things I hadn't considered. Just curious about this…

> How much of an impact do you think systemic racism had on the response to the opioid epidemic and how much can just be attributed to the fact that we have gotten smarter about drug addiction in general? Most of society now empathizes with drug addiction because its hit white society a lot and the race of users can't be used as a political scapegoat. As long as you're white, the richer you are, the less likely you a…

>As long as you're white, the richer you are, the less likely you are to go to jail for it. Rehab is for rich people. //

Any sources to support this, that equally wealthy people go to jail in higher proportions - for the same [drug] crime - if they're non-white?

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New way same as the old way presumably. This is a baby with the bathwater situation. It can be fixed no need to scrap it.

With what, exactly? You can pass more laws, but laws don't matter if the police don't obey them anyways. You can enforce things like bodycams, but then the police cover up the cams or conveniently turn them off. At what point will you be convinced that you need to start over? Because removing corruption is like removing an invasive species: you don't solve it by taking a half-assed attempt with trimming and call it a…

The ruling elite don't obey the laws either, USA have let the President flout the law on the international stage; if "so long as you can subvert the 'courts' it's fine" goes for the President then how are you ever going to have a strong Rule of Law?
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